12:30 - 13:30
[12:30] <Helen> some of our UK new writers are being inspired by Christy. They're coming along this space!
[12:30] <carolyn> at trAce, you mean helen?
[12:31] <Djuna> it's a drug! I love it! can get lost for months - and the element of sound that adds a whole other richness/dimension ...
[12:31] <Surd> Here, in IRC, the text is dynamic also, wriggling, bodies right behind the dynamic text.
[12:31] <Helen> associated with, yes
[12:31] <PbN> I am impressed as much (more) by what you have to say (make me feel) in your work, Carolyn, as by the tech proficiency, aesthetics...
[12:31] <carolyn> these are sensuous, immersive environments for the practice of 'art'.
[12:32] <carolyn> thanks, PbN. i don't know how much technical proficiency i have though. i'm a self-taught hack.
[12:32] <dslattery> and arctic (anarchic?)
[12:32] <jley> we certainly do all fall into our monitor screens
[12:33] <Djuna> "immersive environment" - exactement
[12:33] <carolyn> anarchic rooms, 'jamming' with code as i've said before...
[12:33] <jley> in the making and the reading
[12:33] <Helen> MOO work...
[12:33] <Surd> Yeah, Carolyn's of the arctic anarchtic
[12:33] <dslattery> fire and ice
[12:33] <carolyn> one of my most read pieces is about the immersive nature of the medium. Gesturing Toward the Visual has a shelf-life all it's own.
[12:34] <carolyn> this is a form about gaps, ice flows, lava flows, bridges between elements and mediums.
[12:35] <carolyn> The essay lives here.
[12:35] <Djuna> the environment superseding any single element yes?
[12:35] <carolyn> exactly.
[12:35] <carolyn> the environment becomes a new element of the art/text.
[12:35] <carolyn> we surrender ourselves to it. here's diana's freefall again.
[12:36] <Djuna> *where's margie?
[12:36] <dslattery> to hang on brings on seasickness--vertigo as you said.
[12:37] <carolyn> margie's in kansas.
[12:37] <dslattery> the book of falling?
[12:37] <carolyn> trying to hang on is a losing battle.
[12:37] <Djuna> ah.
[12:37] <Surd> I remember you mentioning Diane's Glide in particular, if I recall correctly, with reference to a feminine alphabet?
[12:37] <Djuna> interesting ...
[12:37] <Helen> URL for Glide?
[12:37] <carolyn> or the book of sand. fluidity as art form.
[12:37] <jley> well said Diane
[12:37] <dslattery> not really an alphabet--a system of signs
[12:38] <Surd> Glide
[12:38] <dslattery> but yes, curvy ideographic whatevers
[12:38] <Helen> thx
[12:38] <carolyn> a labyrinth of language that the reader must navigate.
[12:38] <Djuna> danka
[12:38] <carolyn> glide is an astounding work that really expands the parameters of the hypertextual form.
[12:39] <carolyn> i haven't learned to speak glide's language yet though... sigh.
[12:39] <dslattery> my question is this--what does it mean when the inscriptions of a language, the language itself go into motion, morph?
[12:39] <carolyn> i have said this before: i honestly think that glide is the embodiment of the 'future' of the form.
[12:40] <Surd> In what sense?
[12:40] <carolyn> it incorporates all of our senses, our motions, our linguistic abilities.
[12:40] <Djuna> implied text - [Ted's delicious realm ...]
[12:41] <Helen> wow, looks like I'll have a treat of reading tomorrow :)
[12:41] <carolyn> it re-envisions the space of 'fiction' and the territory of 'reader' and the dimensions of 'language'.
[12:41] <carolyn> it might take you weeks, helen.
[12:41] <carolyn> it's a huge effort.
[12:41] <carolyn> how many years have you been working on it, diana?
[12:41] <Djuna> is it about the chora also?
[12:42] *carolyn lights a cigarette and takes a sip of coffee.
[12:42] <dslattery> started the novel in 1997, branched into the language, branched into the language and did the web in fall, 1998, finished the novel last summer
[12:42] <carolyn> 'finished'?
[12:43] <dslattery> the chora.......
[12:43] <Djuna> *I think I'll join you Carolyn ... how does one 'emote' in this environment?
[12:43] <carolyn> it is still evolving, is it not?
[12:43] <Helen> chora?
[12:43] <carolyn> try /me whatever
[12:43] <dslattery> typing in revisions to the linear print work
[12:44] <carolyn> the chora is the platonic/kristevan space of non-verbal language: music, motion...
[12:44] <Djuna> language before (learned) language, the ineffable, but often a matter of 'recognition' as Jung would say
[12:44] <Helen> it's print as well as web?
[12:44] <carolyn> that which inhabits the world of dreams is choric, unspeakable...
[12:44] <dslattery> then the hypertextual linking, more graphics, more software, and more language theory, I guess
[12:44] <carolyn> the chora is a psychological/developmental state.
[12:44] <Helen> thanx carolyn
[12:44] <dslattery> oh the chora
[12:45] <dslattery> such a beautiful open word
[12:45] <carolyn> musical
[12:45] <Djuna> mmm yes ...
[12:45] *jley smiles
[12:46] <dslattery> wow
[12:46] <carolyn> the chora is an immersive environment. it's a fluid space.
[12:46] <Djuna> indeed!
[12:46] <Surd> How does the print version relate to the Web version, if that is how it is?
[12:46] <carolyn> and i think that this new visual/textual language we use in web-spaces is absolutely choric.
[12:46] <dslattery> the language came out of the world of the novel
[12:47] <dslattery> then took on a life of its own
[12:47] <dslattery> but all the experts live there
[12:47] *carolyn smiles
[12:47] <dslattery> i'm just beginning to babytalk
[12:47] <Surd> ehehe
[12:47] <Djuna> lol!
[12:48] <jley> mmmm all the joy of discovery ...
[12:48] <carolyn> there's a listserve for glide where you can enter the world of its readers and discuss its language.
[12:48] <Djuna> address?
[12:48] <dslattery> carolyn--how many metaphors have you used for hypertext?
[12:49] <dslattery> hive...web...labyrinth...
[12:49] <carolyn> diana, maybe you can post the url.
[12:49] <carolyn> how many metaphors? innumerable...
[12:50] <carolyn> i am looking, in my dissertation, at hypertext as the penultimate archive, a visual encyclopedia that gathers together (in theory at least) all of the 'knowledge' of the world and moves it in the realm of the sensual/sensory.
[12:50] <dslattery> I think this is the url
[12:50] <Helen> sorry, folks, I have to go get ready to host Alan Sondheim's party. Maybe see you later? Thanx Carolyn.
[12:51] <dslattery> what is the ultimate archive, dare I ask?
[12:51] <carolyn> bye, helen.
[12:51] <Surd> Thanks for coming, Helen, will join afterwards.
[12:51] <PbN> bye helen
[12:51] <Helen> There's a search engine on trace so if you search you can find URLs in Assemblage.
[12:51] <Helen> bye!
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[12:51] <Djuna> bye helen - enjoy
[12:51] <carolyn> this is literature built on an archival model. the ultimate archive would include not only book learning, but the knowledge of the body and of the senses.
[12:51] <carolyn> a history of the world as experienced rather than documented.
[12:52] <carolyn> it's a new interaction with time and space and language.
[12:52] <dslattery> wow, the akashic records
[12:52] <PbN> tres cool!
[12:52] <carolyn> akashic?
[12:52] <Loss> Busy day for me too. So I must also bid adieu.
[12:52] <Surd> Thanks, Loss.
[12:52] <Djuna> mmm i like that ...
[12:52] <PbN> C U loss...
[12:52] <Loss> Look forward to the transcripts!
[12:52] <jley> very ... I'm thinking how this will evolve with the technology ... if virtual reality becomes more available to personal computer owners
[12:53] <jley> bye Loss
[12:53] <Loss> bye all
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[12:53] <jley> and we could walk into a Glide environment
[12:53] <dslattery> akashic -- mythical library of everything. where borges studied, i think
[12:53] <Surd> Like when you die your life is supposed to flash before your eyes... the accumulated lifetimes...
[12:53] <carolyn> virtual reality is, it seems to me, something of a novelty, a fad, and i think it will fade away, but the mythopoetic nature of the experience is very attractive.
[12:53] <Randy> i've not joined in the dissuasion, but have enjoyed myself, so long and thanks for all the links...Glide is wonderful
[12:54] <dslattery> thanks, randy
[12:54] <carolyn> thanks, diana, for the reference. i'll look into that further.
[12:54] <carolyn> bye, randy. thanks for coming.
[12:54] <Randy> hope to see more of you folks!!
[12:54] <jley> bye Randy
[12:55] <Randy> my pleasure...
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[12:55] <dslattery> akashic--like the aleph (borges again) in book form. people have dreams about it, i think
[12:55] <carolyn> it's choric then...?
[12:55] <dslattery> must be...
[12:56] <carolyn> interesting.
[12:56] <dslattery> thanks very much, carolyn, all, duty calls.... ta
[12:56] <Djuna> fare well
[12:56] <Surd> Thank you, Diane.
[12:56] <carolyn> bye now. great to have you here.
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[12:57] <jley> whoops she got away ... I was typing too long
[12:57] <carolyn> disappeared back into her labyrinth.
[12:57] <Surd> Have you written about Glide, Carolyn?
[12:57] <DavidKnoebel> My time is up, too. Thanks Carolyn, Jim, all. Good talk.
[12:57] <Djuna> :)
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[12:58] <carolyn> i am for my dissertation, but i haven't published anything yet.
[12:58] <carolyn> i am doing a conference paper in the spring that looks at it too. i'll keep you posted. :-)
[12:58] <Surd> How far are you into your dissertation?
[12:59] <carolyn> well, i kinda got delayed by a stop sign running junkie, but i'd say about a third of the way in.
[12:59] <Djuna> urgh.....
[12:59] <carolyn> it should be finished by this time next year.
[12:59] <jley> ack cat in front of the monitor
[12:59] <Djuna> then what ?
[12:59] *carolyn waves to cat.
[13:00] <carolyn> i'm up for hire!
[13:00] *PbN emotes
[13:00] <Djuna> lol!
[13:00] *jley thinks some lucky students will be studying with Carolyn
[13:00] <carolyn> i'm going to be designing a course for an open (i.e. online) university this year about hypertext and literature.
[13:00] <carolyn> much depends on what opportunities present themselves.

Mar 5/2000
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