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<p>Hi Darrel,</p>
<p>Great to hear from you. Did you start the Hopper listserv? My
memory isn't what it used to be, but I seem to recall you probably
did. In any case, I do remember you were the Hopper list's
previous admin, Darrel. </p>
<p>Would love to hear more of your involvement in Director stuff,
Darrel. You wrote some behaviors that came with Director, didn't
you? I probably used more than a few of them, or learned from
them.</p>
<p>ja</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2025-07-09 6:20 p.m., Darrel Plant
wrote:<br>
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<div>I used to have a thing back when Macromedia still controlled
the site but were trying to say \u201cFlash isn\u2019t Shockwave!\u201d
tracking how many Shockwave Site of the Day sites were Flash
rather than Director.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">"I love surf music but I can't swim." \u2014Darrel Plant</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Jul 9, 2025, at 5:46\u202fPM, Robert
Gordon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rob@article19.com"><rob@article19.com></a> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">\ufeff
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Love seeing all of your names again!</div>
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<div dir="auto">I went from Director to Flash to HTML5/CSS
(first with CreateJS then with PIXI with lots of content
working right in the DOM). </div>
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<div dir="auto">Among other things I STILL release games over
on Shockwave.com, a spin-out from Macromedia in the late
90s. I remember auditioning my Jigsaw Player - created in
Director - in front of the Director lead engineers who did
their best to break it (they did not) and a career pivot was
born\u2026</div>
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<div dir="auto">Stay well all!<br clear="all">
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r o b<br>
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Robert Gordon<br>
The Article 19 Group Inc.<br>
514.938.8512<br>
<a href="mailto:rob@article19.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rob@article19.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.article19.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.article19.com</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 9, 2025 at
7:06\u202fPM Jim Andrews <<a href="mailto:jim@vispo.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jim@vispo.com</a>>
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<p>The **SPAM** subject line is probably my fault. My
Thunderbird email program adds it to a lot of email,
and sometimes I forget to get rid of it before I
send. Sorry.</p>
<p>I still have Director 10 installed. Last time I
checked, it was freely available on the web. Does
anyone know what that official situation is?</p>
<p>I encourage people on the list to give us an update
on what you've done and what you're doing since
Director bit the dust.</p>
<p>I retooled to JavaScript/HTML/CSS. I'd done a
little of that since 1996, but after Director, I
really learned JavaScript/HTML/CSS.</p>
<p>Here are some recent online pages/works of mine:</p>
<p><a href="http://VISPO.COM" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">VISPO.COM</a> HISTORY
(1996-present)<br>
<a href="https://vispo.com/misc/whatsnew.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://vispo.com/misc/whatsnew.html</a><br>
I've maintained this page since 1998. When I post a
new thing on <a href="http://vispo.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vispo.com</a>,
I generally make an entry in this page, with a link.
Not always, but usually. Anyway, I updated it
recently to HTML5 cuz it had deprecated <font>
tags and whatnot. I also put in an interactive
timeline and an icon for most of the entries. </p>
<p>LETTERS FROM LEIBNIZ (2024)<br>
<a
href="https://vispo.com/aleph4/images/jim_andrews/leibniz/alchemy"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://vispo.com/aleph4/images/jim_andrews/leibniz/alchemy</a> <br>
158 images (3840x2160) generated in Aleph Null, the
graphic synthesizer I wrote in JavaScript. These are
images of Leibniz's writing, mainly. There's an
essay I wrote about the project, also. I wrote the
slideshow software (Slidvid) also. </p>
<p>SEA OF PO (2024)<br>
<a href="https://seaofpo.vispo.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://seaofpo.vispo.com</a> <br>
It's an appzine of 52 poets in a generative,
kinetic, interactive, never-the-same-twice
experience of 15 languages. It's a new experience of
poetry and poetry magazines. It also animates and
saves your texts, and creates deluxe screenshots.
Yes, it's the Swiss army knife of digital poetry
magazines and a literary blast of computer art.</p>
<p>ENIGMA N<sup>2022 </sup>(2022)<br>
<a href="https://enigman.vispo.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://enigman.vispo.com</a> <br>
Granular synthesis + colour music + digital poetry. </p>
<p>NEONIO (2021)<br>
<a href="https://neonio.vispo.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://neonio.vispo.com</a> <br>
This is an HTML5 version of a piece I created in
Director, originally, in 2000 called Nio. Nio was
the first piece of art I got paid to create; it was
commissioned by <a href="http://turbulence.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">turbulence.org</a>.
NeoNio uses the original 16 sounds and the original
16 animations. My wife converted the original 16 SWF
animations into SVG. I used the Web Audio API to do
the synchronizing and playing of sounds in NeoNio. </p>
<p>ja</p>
<div>On 2025-07-09 2:57 p.m., Dana wrote:<br>
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<div
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">It's nice to see
that this little community is still together after
all this time. I do primarily iOS development
nowadays, but there are so many developers that
you don't get the tight-knit feel.</div>
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<div
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">My last Director
project was around 2010, though I've had a few
requests since then to update some old projects. I
still wonder if I have some kiosks chugging along
in a museum or visitor center somewhere.</div>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
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<div
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Director made
transitioning to iOS development fairly easy,
having touch screen experience, and Lingo sharing
Smalltalk roots with Objective-C.</div>
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<div
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">BTW, is anyone else
seeing *** SPAM *** added to the subject line?</div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> On
Wednesday, July 9th, 2025 at 7:17 AM, Danny
Kodicek <a
href="mailto:dragon@well-spring.co.uk"
target="_blank"
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"
moz-do-not-send="true"><dragon@well-spring.co.uk></a>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I was
reading an article the other day talking
about how modern websites are overengineered
and full of unnecessary animations and
complex JavaScript packages, and it made me
think again how unfair it was back in the
day when Flash (and Shockwave to a lesser
extent) got the blame for people doing
exactly the same thing. Surprise, surprise:
killing Flash didn't stop bad design, it
just made developers' lives harder.</div>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">On
Wed, 9 Jul 2025 at 10:04, Jim Andrews <<a
href="mailto:jim@vispo.com"
rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"
target="_blank"
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"
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<p style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">It's
great to hear from the amazing
developers of Hopper. </p>
<p style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">There
are 38 members, all of whom have email
addresses that are not bouncing. </p>
<p style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I
had to delete some bouncing email
addresses from the list yesterday cuz
the bouncing was causing me not to be
able to send any email from my <a
href="mailto:jim@vispo.com"
rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"
target="_blank"
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jim@vispo.com</a>
address, which is my main email
address ("<span
style="white-space:pre-wrap;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Domain <a
href="http://vispo.com"
rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"
target="_blank"
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"
moz-do-not-send="true">vispo.com</a> has exceeded the max defers and failures per hour (10/10 (100%)) allowed. Message discarded.")</span></p>
<p style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I
talked with my hosting service three
times on the phone about it.</p>
<p style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Consequently,
today I sent an email to everyone, not
from the list, but from me, so I could
see if it bounced. None of them
bounced, today. Which must mean I got
rid of the bouncing addresses
yesterday. </p>
<p style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">So
the re-start of the list was a little
ragged, but I think it's working OK
now. </p>
<p style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Yes,
Noisecrime, I too was very
disappointed with the fate Adobe
inflicted on Director. </p>
<p style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">ja<br>
<a href="https://vispo.com"
rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"
target="_blank"
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://vispo.com</a>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">On
2025-07-09 1:28 a.m., Noise-Mail
wrote:<br>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Thanks
Jim for keeping the list alive. <br>
<br>
Every few years there seems to be a
message that gets people back
together, but sadly those messages are
getting less frequent. <br>
<br>
Can't quite believe this has been
going for over a quarter of a century,
though I guess I also never thought
that Director would die. In many ways
I feel it was ahead of its time, or at
least could have been maintained and
updated to have become a force in the
indie scene. <br>
<br>
Anyway nice to see some familiar names
in here. <br>
<br>
NoiseCrime <br>
<br>
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On 08/07/2025 07:18, Jim Andrews
wrote: <br>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Great
to see some messages on Hopper
again! <br>
<br>
I am the administer of the list. <br>
<br>
All the best to you, my friends! <br>
<br>
ja <br>
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target="_blank"
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" moz-do-not-send="true"
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