<html class="apple-mail-supports-explicit-dark-mode"><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">sounds like a good approach, Jim. keep us posted!</div><div dir="ltr">-paul</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 2, 2026, at 16:59, Jim Andrews <jim@vispo.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">\ufeff
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<p>Here's what I'm going to do to use Claude Code to create an HTML5
version of Arteroids ( arteroids.vispo.com ) which was originally
written in Director.</p>
<p>I have already done a few weeks of work creating small parts of
the JavaScript/HTML/CSS. That will be hopefully a good foundation
for how 'we' will proceed.</p>
<p>I'm going to break the job down into small steps. For each small
step, such as the creation of the Main Menu, I'm going to create a
PDF spec, which I will get Claude to read before starting that
particular step. Claude can ask me questions after reading it. The
PDF will contain text and screenshots about the feature, and will
describe what I want done in great detail. <br>
I will then iterate once or twice and then edit the code myself to
hammer it into shape. And test it, debug it. Before moving on to
the next small step. </p>
<p>I may also include in the PDF Lingo scripts from the original
Arteroids source code that Claude can base his/its work on. I had
some success with that when I asked Claude to create a gradient
animation that was done with Lingo.</p>
<p>ja</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2026-01-26 1:48 a.m., Danny Kodicek
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The project wasn't trying to make a complete port
of Flash, just the parts that we used, but it did cover quite a
bit of the AS3 library. Most of flash.display, also
flash.events, flash.geom, and a few others. In theory I'm sure
we could have done the whole thing.
<div>You're right that Director would have been a lot harder,
not just because Lingo is different from ActionScript but
because Pixi is very closely modelled on Flash, so there was a
close correspondence between concepts. We did do a very
similar project several years ago when we first ported our
software across from Director to Flash, and it was definitely
a lot more work. But again, we did create that interstitial
layer of code, so rather than using Flash's Point and Rect
objects, for example, we created our own classes called DPoint
and DRect that were modelled on Lingo's version, so that we
didn't have to check through every instance in our code where
we used them. In theory, we might have done the same thing for
Lingo's List objects, so that we could continue to use 1-based
addresses instead of 0-based.</div>
<div>It definitely wouldn't be a small job, but I'm sure it's
doable. I'm much more sceptical about doing it using AI,
though. AI's great at pattern recognition, but those
conceptual differences between Director and HTML5 require a
lot of creative problem solving. And the danger with using AI
is that it produces such plausible-looking code that it might
take as long to debug as it would to do the original project
yourself</div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 at 00:41,
Jim Andrews <<a href="mailto:jim@vispo.com" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jim@vispo.com</a>>
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<p>Hi Danny,</p>
<p>I expect you're familiar with Ruffle ( <a href="https://ruffle.rs" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://ruffle.rs</a>
), which many people use to emulate Flash work. Was the
Flash work you were dealing with too advanced for Ruffle?</p>
<p>I suppose ActionScript, being quite JavaScripty, was a
kind of natural for your approach. Of course, Lingo
isn't. </p>
<p>If I understand you correctly, DisplayObjectContainer,
DisplayObject, BitmapData etc would be the classes from
which Flash media members are constructed. For the most
part? But Actionscript involves all sorts of things other
than media members. </p>
<p>Could you flesh out your ideas a bit more and tell me why
you think this would work with Lingo and Director?</p>
<p>ja</p>
<div>On 2026-01-25 10:05 a.m., Danny Kodicek wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I haven't looked at translating Director
across, but for what it's worth I have made a pretty
reliable engine for porting AS3 across to TypeScript
using the PixiJS framework. The basic principle was to
make an interstitial layer of classes that mimic the AS3
library (DisplayObjectContainer, DisplayObject,
BitmapData etc) but translate all the concepts across to
Pixi. Then we simply transpiled our AS3 code into
TypeScript, calling these classes. So as far as our
original code is concerned, it still "thinks" it's
running in Flash. I'd probably handle a project like
this in much the same way</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 25 Jan 2026 at
17:24, Erik Loyer <<a href="mailto:erikcloyer@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">erikcloyer@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>Hi all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Great to see this thread. I\u2019ve been taking a
similar approach in trying to update my Shockwave
site Lair of the Marrow Monkey from back in the
day. Google\u2019s AI IDE Antigravity has been my tool
of choice lately, it\u2019s forked from the same editor
VS Code is based on so familiar to me. I have
access to the original .dir files for the project,
and so manually extracted the script files using
an <a href="https://infinitemac.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Infinite
Mac</a> emulator and created a CSV of the cast
that identifies the type and content of each
element. Then, I kicked off the process with a
prompt that tried to explain the project and a
little bit about Director. It\u2019s taken a fair
amount of iteration, but I\u2019ve had good results in
recreating a piece in the \u201csingle frame
script-based\u201d style. I\u2019ve enclosed the prompt
below in case it\u2019s helpful for anyone \u2014 would be
great if we could create something standardized
that explained Director to the LLM and that could
be reused for multiple projects. My prompt
includes a lot of specifics about this particular
piece, but hopefully still useful. Happy to
provide more details if helpful.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Erik</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>\u2014\u2014</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Prompt:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In this project, I am updating a 1998
Shockwave-based website called "The Lair of the
Marrow Monkey" to modern web standards. The
website contained various pages with Shockwave
player embeds, and I want to focus on porting
those embeds before rebuilding the website
itself. I've created a folder called "archive"
which will contain artifacts from the old
project, which was created in Macromedia
Director 6. I'd like to start with an embed
called "02". The "02" folder in "archive"
contains a CSV which describes the contents of
the "Cast," which was the name for a media and
script library in Director. Each row corresponds
to a single "cast member," and columns indicate
related content and metadata, unique to each
cast member type. For text and script cast
members, the content can be found in the
"02files" folder, in files with the same name.
The "Data" file contains data powering the
piece, while all of the other text files are
scripts written in the Lingo programming
language. Director files contained a "Score"
where media and scripts would be placed. "Init
Script" is the first script to be executed in
the score, so let's focus on porting it first,
with display and layout handled in HTML and CSS
as a baseline, and Javascript used for dynamic
elements. I've created a "ports" folder, and a
"02" folder inside of that, that is where we'll
assemble the ported version.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>[This resulted in a detailed implementation
plan which I was prompted to approve, and things
proceeded from there...]</div>
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<div>On Jan 25, 2026, at 7:51\u202fAM, Robert
Gordon <<a href="mailto:rob@article19.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rob@article19.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div>I don\u2019t have many Director projects
of any value lying around that I hadn\u2019t
already manually ported to Flash, then
HTML5 (with CanvasJS) then HTML5 again
(with PIXIJS) then again to a more
native-in-the-browser implementation
with lots of css.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For fun, I did ask ChatGTP the
following:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><font size="3">Translate the
following macromedia director lingo
code into javascript: </font></div>
<div><font size="3">on exitFrame </font></div>
<div><font size="3"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>go
to frame 7 </font></div>
<div><font size="3">end</font><br id="m_8450887272454673606m_-499027875281710300lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage">
<div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal;font-size:11px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal">I
was surprised and impressed at the
response. It understands
Director\u2019s use of a playback head
and how to implement animation in
JS. I wonder how many
Directror/Lingo concepts it has a
handle on. If you have access to
all of the original media &
source code, then perhaps give up
on decompiling the dir/dcr and
focus on the code porting through
ai with a different media
management mindset (not sure how
many of us were using
sprite-sheets and texture-atlases
back in the ole Director days\u2026).</span></div>
<div><span style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal"><br>
</span></div>
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<div>On Jan 25, 2026, at 10:31\u202fAM,
Paul Catanese <<a href="mailto:catanese.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">catanese.paul@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Dear Jim-
<div>Just wanted to pipe up
that I'm fascinated and very
interested in this
direction; it would be great
if it could bear fruit. I
don't have time to focus on
this deeplyy, but I am
cheering you on, and wanted
you to know it, and wanted
to share some thoughts. The
idea that an old director
project could be translated
to html5 seems like a great
dream. Would love to see it.</div>
<div>
<div>I was not aware of the
projectorrays project -
this certainly could be of
interest.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div>I was also fascinated
about Danny's comment about
.dir's being.zip's - I
didn't know that, but I had
effectively shifted away
from Director by around
2006.</div>
<div>Googling a bit, I did
come across this post that
speaks to the internal
structure as an RIFX
container. </div>
<div><a href="https://nosamu.medium.com/a-tour-of-the-adobe-director-file-format-e375d1e063c0" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://nosamu.medium.com/a-tour-of-the-adobe-director-file-format-e375d1e063c0</a></div>
<div>This direction is a bit
lower-level than I'd want to
get mixed up in, but could
be useful in thinking about
what needs to be extracted.</div>
<div>There's a few references
at the bottom of the
document that may also be of
interest, including the
projectorrays project.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please forgive some
preaching to the choir, but
wanted to jot down some
general thoughts:</div>
<div>* Recalling that some
projects used 1-frame loops
w/parent-child scripts, some
used "timeline only", and
majority used a hybrid
approach e.g. approaches
where instances carried
behavioral scripts - I would
suspect that these different
authored-project
architectures might require
differing translation
approaches for HTML5. </div>
<div>
<div>
<div>* Large multi .dir
projects would likely
derive back down to one
of those cases. </div>
</div>
<div>* Functionalities
provided by 3rd party
xtras seem like another
area of particular
wrinkles to be unwound, as
would some internal xtras
like quicktime.</div>
</div>
<div>* webgl should certainly
be robust enough to handle
shockwave 3d scenegraph
& related
functionalities </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div><b>emulation?</b></div>
<div>In the net.art context,
I had spoken with
the Rhizome folks years
ago, and their approach to
preserving (flash) works
was the emulation as a
service model. They also
did some interesting
preservation techniques
for director CD-Rom's in
which old hardware would
run projects natively, and
then results streamed to
clients - but the costs
were personally way out of
reach. I'm not even clear
if they are still involved
in anything like that. The
approach you're talking
about is a refreshing new
angle for director works.
That said, I did start to
wonder what it would mean
to have a software
emulator, perhaps even a
browser-based emulator
that could run director
projects, rather than
converting them. </div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b>Bigger picture still</b></div>
<div>Jon Ippollito &
Richard Rinehart's book:
Re-Collection offers another
thought - that new media art
projects might be better
considered as notation based
(e.g. like music or
theatrical productions) - so
that recreating media
artworks with new tools is
part of their nature. I was
at the WRO art center in
Poland a few weeks ago, and
they had recreated pieces
like Camille Utterback's
"text rain", as well as an
early Paul Sharits piece,
and a rutt-etra style video
rasterization demo, among
others, that fit into this
framework - <a href="https://wrocenter.pl/pl/mi/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">check
them out here</a>. The
guy who did the heavy
lifting: Pawel Janicki might
be interested in your
project. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-paul</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat,
Jan 24, 2026 at 7:46\u202fPM Jim
Andrews <<a href="mailto:jim@vispo.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jim@vispo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>
<p>Hi Danny,</p>
<p>I expect you already
know about
ProjectorRays: <a href="https://github.com/ProjectorRays/ProjectorRays" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/ProjectorRays/ProjectorRays</a>
. It isn't fantastic but
it's something.</p>
<p>This friend of mine I
mentioned says "I never
used copilot. I am in
the IntelliJ ecosystem -
WebStorm. They have in
there "junie" coding
agent, which as far as i
know built on top of
Claude model."</p>
<p>People are raving about
Claude Code. Anyway, my
friend seems to think
that this sort of AI
could well convert
something like .dir
files to HTML5. I'm not
sure he appreciates the
difficulty of the
problem--though he is a
pro programmer. Maybe he
does. </p>
<p>Anyway, I suspect that
if we could get some
specs and whatnot on
Director, that would
help in the process.</p>
<p>All of us spent eons
creating work with
Director. Anyone else
interested or have info
to share on this
question??</p>
<p>ja</p>
<div>On 2026-01-24 3:27
p.m., Danny Kodicek
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Adobe /
Macromedia always
insisted there was no
way to decompile .dcrs
(although that always
sounded unlikely to
me). But IIRC .dirs
were like .docs - just
zip files with a
different name.
Theoretically I think
you should be able to
rename them to .zip
and open them up. That
might only be true for
later editions of
Director, though - and
it might not be true
at all! Maybe I'm just
making it up...</div>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Sat, 24 Jan 2026 at
21:50, Jim Andrews
<<a href="mailto:jim@vispo.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jim@vispo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
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dear Hopper folks,<br>
<br>
I have a question
and issue to raise
with you about
conversion of <br>
Director stuff to
HTML5 (or other
formats).<br>
<br>
I am a newbie at
using AI in my
programming
practice--just
started the <br>
day before yesterday
with Copilot in
VSCode. So far so
good.<br>
<br>
But a friend of mine
is intent upon using
more powerful AI
tools to <br>
convert the
Arteroids (<a href="https://arteroids.vispo.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://arteroids.vispo.com</a>)
source code .dir <br>
into html5.<br>
<br>
Not surprisingly,
the thing he's
having problems with
is the dir format. <br>
There is a published
format for SWF, and
there's a decompiler
for <br>
Director, but I
guess AIs are going
to have big problems
trying to <br>
'translate' dir or
dcr files.<br>
<br>
Has anyone
approached Adobe
about making some
(at least)
documentation <br>
about Director
public so we can try
to salvage and
convert the IMMENSE
<br>
work many of us did
in creating Director
work?<br>
<br>
And what is out
there now, if
anything at all?<br>
<br>
ja<br>
<a href="https://vispo.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://vispo.com</a><br>
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<a href="mailto:Hopperxx@vispo.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Hopperxx@vispo.com</a><br>
<a href="http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/hopperxx_vispo.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/hopperxx_vispo.com</a><br>
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<a href="mailto:Hopperxx@vispo.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Hopperxx@vispo.com</a><br>
<a href="http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/hopperxx_vispo.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/hopperxx_vispo.com</a><br>
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<a href="mailto:Hopperxx@vispo.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Hopperxx@vispo.com</a><br>
<a href="http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/hopperxx_vispo.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/hopperxx_vispo.com</a><br>
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_______________________________________________<br>
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<a href="mailto:Hopperxx@vispo.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Hopperxx@vispo.com</a><br>
<a href="http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/hopperxx_vispo.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/hopperxx_vispo.com</a><br>
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<pre>_______________________________________________
Hopperxx mailing list
<a href="mailto:Hopperxx@vispo.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Hopperxx@vispo.com</a>
<a href="http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/hopperxx_vispo.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/hopperxx_vispo.com</a>
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<a href="mailto:Hopperxx@vispo.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Hopperxx@vispo.com</a><br>
<a href="http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/hopperxx_vispo.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/hopperxx_vispo.com</a><br>
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Hopperxx mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Hopperxx@vispo.com">Hopperxx@vispo.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/hopperxx_vispo.com">http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/hopperxx_vispo.com</a>
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