<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hi Jim,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Great question.</div><div class="">Miles has covered the “legalese” angle very well:)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’ve used a lot of “found images” - in general I stay within stuff that is at least 50 years old, which doesn’t always cover copyright (thanks to that pesky Mickey Mouse) but if I found it via <a href="http://archive.org" class="">archive.org</a> for example, it usually does:)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My 2 cents would be this: </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. Richard Prince did that piece where he used Instagram images and then sold them for a pretty penny. This is totally kosher and almost normal for his practice and all those other academic arguments . I think in general the non-art public was quite insulted and hurt. (which is a funny word to use, but people feel attached to their images, whether or not they “should”.) Also yup, maybe it was just a strategy to re-raise his profile.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2. When I used to teach, I would ask students, how would you feel if someone took your artwork and used it as you are planning to do? If the answer if “outraged” or any variation thereof, then the answer about using it clear. At least from an ethical perspective.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">3. Whoops that’s 3 cents:) - anything on the internet appears in a database that is probably up for grabs. I’ve seem some of my photographs used to sell things on Craigslist. Slightly amusing, minor ruffling of feathers, and a general shrugging of my shoulders. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class="">Deanne</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Deanne Achong </div><div class="">GoodyBank</div><div class="">Digital Strategy + Design Studio</div><div class=""><a href="https://goodybank.com" class="">https://goodybank.com</a></div><div class="">604-708-4185</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">+> <a href="https://www.deanneachong.com" class="">https://www.deanneachong.com</a> - ART</div><div class="">++>> <a href="https://www.instagram.com/piquette/" class="">https://www.instagram.com/piquette/</a></div><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 29, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Jim Andrews <<a href="mailto:jim@vispo.com" class="">jim@vispo.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">Right. So it's OK as long as it's completely inconsequential.</p><p class="">ja<br class="">
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">Thanks, Miles. My reading of the below is that it implies
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is OK as long as no money is involved and it doesn't go
viral. As soon as it becomes popular or somebody wants to
buy a copy of Aleph Null that contains Checking In, all
bets are off.</p><p class="">ja<br class="">
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I'm not a legal expert so don't consider this
legal advice. At one point I was asking a similar
question regarding what my students are <b class="">allowed</b>
to do in terms of using digital assets in their
work. The UBCO library gave us some useful
resources that I will share with you here. I'll
skip the content of public domain images and
obtain permissions and jump straight to piece on
fair dealing and the remix exceptions.<br class="">
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<b class="">Fair dealing exception</b><br class="">
Fair dealing is a user right contained in the
Copyright Act that allows you to copy from a
copyrighted work, without the copyright owner's
permission, if:<br class="">
1. The copy is for the purposes of<br class="">
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<li class="">Research</li>
<li class="">Private Study</li>
<li class="">Education</li>
<li class="">Criticism or Review</li>
<li class="">Parody or Satire</li>
<li class="">News reporting</li>
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2. The use is “fair”…<br class="">
Dealing can be considered fair based on:<br class="">
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<b class="">Non-Commercial User-Generated Content Exception</b><br class="">
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<li class="">AKA the “Mash-Up Exception”</li>
<li class="">Allows individuals to use a published work
to create and communicate a new work, as long
as:</li>
<li class="">the purpose is strictly non-commercial;</li>
<li class="">you use a legal copy of the original work;</li>
<li class="">you identify the author and source of the
original work; and</li>
<li class="">the new work does not adversely impact the
copyright owner of the original.</li>
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AM, Jim Andrews <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:jim@vispo.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">jim@vispo.com</a>></span>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I'm
unsure of the legality of a piece that I've created
with the poet Adeena Karasick. I wonder if those in
the know on legal use of images might tell me what
you think.<br class="">
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The piece is at <a href="http://vispo.com/aleph3/an.html?d=Adeena%20Karasick%201" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">http://vispo.com/aleph3/an.html?d=Adeena%20Karasick%201</a><br class="">
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Best experienced on a desktop/laptop machine, though
it runs OK on mobile devices. Click the aleph at top
left to toggle display of the controls.<br class="">
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The text is Adeena's. She owns it for sure. No
problem there. It's the text of her new book
Checking In coming out soon from Talonbooks in
Vancouver. And the programming is mine. The program
the piece is in is one I wrote called Aleph Null
3.0.<br class="">
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The issue is the images in the background and the
images used to fill the text.<br class="">
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Adeena selected 208 images from the net and from her
own images for me to use in this piece. She didn't
get them by license in google image search. She just
picked the most relevant images for the text of the
project.<br class="">
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She and a friend of hers think this is legal use of
these images. I'm not so sure. What do you think?<br class="">
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I really like the piece itself. And Adeena's text is
terrific. But I am quite unsure about the legalities
of image use. And it isn't the 90's anymore. Things
are changing. Google recently changed their image
search so that you have to visit the site on which
the image is located before you can save it. And of
course there's the whole Facebook data issue. People
are re-examining ownership of digitized/digital
stuff.<br class="">
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ja<br class="">
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