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<p>Thanks very much, Rob. It sounds like you have looked into
copyright in Canada rather well--like you look into whatever you
look into. I'll pick up a copy of Murray and Troscow.</p>
<p>ja<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/29/2018 2:07 PM, Rob Myers wrote:<br>
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<div>The Prince case was fascinating but it was in the US, so it
doesn't set a precedent for Canada.<br>
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<div>There are two problems you'll encounter researching this
area.<br>
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<div>1. Most resources are for the US, and so cover Fair Use
rather than Fair Dealing, and concentrate on US legal
precedents.<br>
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<div>2. Most resources that are for Canada have been written by
people who want to enforce copyright increasingly strongly
rather than get creative with Fair Dealing.<br>
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<div>All that said, if your library has a copy of "Canadian
Copyright - A Citizen's Guide" by Murray & Trosow that's a
good resource that looks at the relevant law in a balanced way.</div>
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<div>- Rob.</div>
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<div>On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, at 1:40 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:<br>
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<div>Adeena's friend Bob Kasher cited the Richard Prince case<br>
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<div> ( <a
href="https://www.artinamericamagazine.com/news-features/news/richard-prince-wins-major-victory-in-landmark-copyright-suit/"
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<div> in his claim that "you have no copyright concerns (see
above link). Prince vs. Rastafarian set the copyright
precedent here for all imagery use. As long as you are
distorting, collaging it etc. you own it. It doesn't matter
where it came from."<br>
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<div> If somebody used my work in the way I've used this work,
I'd be OK with it as long as they didn't make a significant
sum from it. If they did that, I'd want some recompense.<br>
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<p>So I'm still pretty confused about the legality.<br>
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<p>ja<br>
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<div>On 3/29/2018 1:19 PM, Deanne Achong | Dia Media wrote:<br>
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<div>Great question.<br>
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<div>Miles has covered the “legalese” angle very well:)<br>
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<div>I’ve used a lot of “found images” - in general I stay
within stuff that is at least 50 years old, which doesn’t
always cover copyright (thanks to that pesky Mickey Mouse)
but if I found it via <a href="http://archive.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">archive.org</a> for example, it
usually does:)<br>
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<div>My 2 cents would be this: <br>
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<div>1. Richard Prince did that piece where he used Instagram
images and then sold them for a pretty penny. This is
totally kosher and almost normal for his practice and all
those other academic arguments . I think in general the
non-art public was quite insulted and hurt. (which is a
funny word to use, but people feel attached to their images,
whether or not they “should”.) Also yup, maybe it was just a
strategy to re-raise his profile.<br>
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<div>2. When I used to teach, I would ask students, how would
you feel if someone took your artwork and used it as you are
planning to do? If the answer if “outraged” or any variation
thereof, then the answer about using it clear. At least from
an ethical perspective.<br>
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<div>3. Whoops that’s 3 cents:) - anything on the internet
appears in a database that is probably up for grabs. I’ve
seem some of my photographs used to sell things on
Craigslist. Slightly amusing, minor ruffling of feathers,
and a general shrugging of my shoulders. <br>
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<div>Cheers,<br>
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<div>Deanne<br>
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<div>Deanne Achong <br>
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<div>+> <a href="https://www.deanneachong.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.deanneachong.com</a> -
ART<br>
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<div>++>> <a href="https://www.instagram.com/piquette/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.instagram.com/piquette/</a><br>
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<p>Right. So it's OK as long as it's completely
inconsequential.<br>
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<p>ja<br>
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<div>That sounds about the gist of it.<br>
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<div>Thanks, Miles. My reading of the below is
that it implies <br>
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<div> is OK as long as no money is involved
and it doesn't go viral. As soon as it
becomes popular or somebody wants to buy a
copy of Aleph Null that contains Checking
In, all bets are off.<br>
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<p>ja<br>
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<div>I'm not a legal expert so don't
consider this legal advice. At one
point I was asking a similar
question regarding what my
students are<b>allowed</b> to do
in terms of using digital assets
in their work. The UBCO library
gave us some useful resources that
I will share with you here. I'll
skip the content of public domain
images and obtain permissions and
jump straight to piece on fair
dealing and the remix exceptions.<br>
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<div> <b>Fair dealing exception</b><br>
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<div> Fair dealing is a user right
contained in the Copyright Act
that allows you to copy from a
copyrighted work, without the
copyright owner's permission, if:<br>
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<div> 1. The copy is for the
purposes of<br>
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<li>Research<br>
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<li>Private Study<br>
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<li>Education<br>
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<li>Criticism or Review<br>
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<li>Parody or Satire<br>
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<li>News reporting<br>
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<div>2. The use is “fair”…<br>
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<div> Dealing can be considered fair
based on:<br>
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<div> <b>Non-Commercial
User-Generated Content Exception</b><br>
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<li>AKA the “Mash-Up Exception”<br>
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<li>Allows individuals to use a
published work to create and
communicate a new work, as long
as:<br>
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<li>the purpose is strictly
non-commercial;<br>
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<li>you use a legal copy of the
original work;<br>
</li>
<li>you identify the author and
source of the original work; and<br>
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<li>the new work does not
adversely impact the copyright
owner of the original.<br>
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<div>I hope some of this is useful for
your cause.<br>
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<div>Best,<br>
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<div>Miles<br>
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<div>I'm unsure of the legality of a
piece that I've created with the
poet Adeena Karasick. I wonder if
those in the know on legal use of
images might tell me what you think.<br>
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<div> The piece is at <a
href="http://vispo.com/aleph3/an.html?d=Adeena%20Karasick%201"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://vispo.com/aleph3/an.html?d=Adeena%20Karasick%201</a><br>
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<div> Best experienced on a
desktop/laptop machine, though it
runs OK on mobile devices. Click the
aleph at top left to toggle display
of the controls.<br>
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<div> The text is Adeena's. She owns
it for sure. No problem there. It's
the text of her new book Checking In
coming out soon from Talonbooks in
Vancouver. And the programming is
mine. The program the piece is in is
one I wrote called Aleph Null 3.0.<br>
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<div> The issue is the images in the
background and the images used to
fill the text.<br>
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<div> Adeena selected 208 images from
the net and from her own images for
me to use in this piece. She didn't
get them by license in google image
search. She just picked the most
relevant images for the text of the
project.<br>
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<div> She and a friend of hers think
this is legal use of these images.
I'm not so sure. What do you think?<br>
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<div> I really like the piece itself.
And Adeena's text is terrific. But I
am quite unsure about the legalities
of image use. And it isn't the 90's
anymore. Things are changing. Google
recently changed their image search
so that you have to visit the site
on which the image is located before
you can save it. And of course
there's the whole Facebook data
issue. People are re-examining
ownership of digitized/digital
stuff.<br>
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<div> ja<br>
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