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<Helen> |
some of our UK new writers are being inspired by Christy. They're coming along well....watch this space!
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<carolyn> |
at trAce, you mean helen?
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| [12:31] |
<Djuna> |
it's a drug! I love it! can get lost for months - and the element of sound that adds a whole other richness/dimension ...
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| [12:31] |
<Surd> |
Here, in IRC, the text is dynamic also, wriggling, bodies right behind the dynamic text.
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| [12:31] |
<Helen> |
associated with, yes
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<PbN> |
I am impressed as much (more) by what you have to say (make me feel) in your work, Carolyn, as by the tech proficiency, aesthetics...
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| [12:31] |
<carolyn> |
these are sensuous, immersive environments for the practice of 'art'.
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| [12:32] |
<carolyn> |
thanks, PbN. i don't know how much technical proficiency i have though. i'm a self-taught hack.
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| [12:32] |
<dslattery> |
and arctic (anarchic?)
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| [12:32] |
<jley> |
we certainly do all fall into our monitor screens
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| [12:33] |
<Djuna> |
"immersive environment" - exactement
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| [12:33] |
<carolyn> |
anarchic rooms, 'jamming' with code as i've said before...
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| [12:33] |
<jley> |
in the making and the reading
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| [12:33] |
<Helen> |
MOO work...
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| [12:33] |
<Surd> |
Yeah, Carolyn's of the arctic anarchtic
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| [12:33] |
<dslattery> |
fire and ice
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| [12:33] |
<carolyn> |
one of my most read pieces is about the immersive nature of the medium. Gesturing Toward the Visual has a shelf-life all it's own.
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| [12:34] |
<carolyn> |
this is a form about gaps, ice flows, lava flows, bridges between elements and mediums.
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| [12:35] |
<carolyn> |
The essay lives here.
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| [12:35] |
<Djuna> |
the environment superseding any single element yes?
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| [12:35] |
<carolyn> |
exactly.
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| [12:35] |
<carolyn> |
the environment becomes a new element of the art/text.
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| [12:35] |
<carolyn> |
we surrender ourselves to it. here's diana's freefall again.
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| [12:36] |
<Djuna> |
*where's margie?
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| [12:36] |
<dslattery> |
to hang on brings on seasickness--vertigo as you said.
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| [12:37] |
<carolyn> |
margie's in kansas.
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| [12:37] |
<dslattery> |
the book of falling?
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| [12:37] |
<carolyn> |
trying to hang on is a losing battle.
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| [12:37] |
<Djuna> |
ah.
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| [12:37] |
<Surd> |
I remember you mentioning Diane's Glide in particular, if I recall correctly, with reference to a feminine alphabet?
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| [12:37] |
<Djuna> |
interesting ...
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<Helen> |
URL for Glide?
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<carolyn> |
or the book of sand. fluidity as art form.
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<jley> |
well said Diane
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<dslattery> |
not really an alphabet--a system of signs
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<Surd> |
Glide
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| [12:38] |
<dslattery> |
but yes, curvy ideographic whatevers
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<Helen> |
thx
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<carolyn> |
a labyrinth of language that the reader must navigate.
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| [12:38] |
<Djuna> |
danka
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<carolyn> |
glide is an astounding work that really expands the parameters of the hypertextual form.
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| [12:39] |
<carolyn> |
i haven't learned to speak glide's language yet though... sigh.
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| [12:39] |
<dslattery> |
my question is this--what does it mean when the inscriptions of a language, the language itself go into motion, morph?
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| [12:39] |
<carolyn> |
i have said this before: i honestly think that glide is the embodiment of the 'future' of the form.
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| [12:40] |
<Surd> |
In what sense?
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<carolyn> |
it incorporates all of our senses, our motions, our linguistic abilities.
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| [12:40] |
<Djuna> |
implied text - [Ted's delicious realm ...]
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| [12:41] |
<Helen> |
wow, looks like I'll have a treat of reading tomorrow :)
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| [12:41] |
<carolyn> |
it re-envisions the space of 'fiction' and the territory of 'reader' and the dimensions of 'language'.
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| [12:41] |
<carolyn> |
it might take you weeks, helen.
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| [12:41] |
<carolyn> |
it's a huge effort.
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| [12:41] |
<carolyn> |
how many years have you been working on it, diana?
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<Djuna> |
is it about the chora also?
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| [12:42] |
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*carolyn lights a cigarette and takes a sip of coffee.
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<dslattery> |
started the novel in 1997, branched into the language, branched into the language and did the web in fall, 1998, finished the novel last summer
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<carolyn> |
'finished'?
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| [12:43] |
<dslattery> |
the chora.......
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| [12:43] |
<Djuna> |
*I think I'll join you Carolyn ... how does one 'emote' in this environment?
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| [12:43] |
<carolyn> |
it is still evolving, is it not?
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<Helen> |
chora?
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<carolyn> |
try /me whatever
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<dslattery> |
typing in revisions to the linear print work
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| [12:44] |
<carolyn> |
the chora is the platonic/kristevan space of non-verbal language: music, motion...
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<Djuna> |
language before (learned) language, the ineffable, but often a matter of 'recognition' as Jung would say
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<Helen> |
it's print as well as web?
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<carolyn> |
that which inhabits the world of dreams is choric, unspeakable...
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<dslattery> |
then the hypertextual linking, more graphics, more software, and more language theory, I guess
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<carolyn> |
the chora is a psychological/developmental state.
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<Helen> |
thanx carolyn
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<dslattery> |
oh the chora
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| [12:45] |
<dslattery> |
such a beautiful open word
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<carolyn> |
musical
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<Djuna> |
mmm yes ...
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*jley smiles
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| [12:46] |
<dslattery> |
wow
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<carolyn> |
the chora is an immersive environment. it's a fluid space.
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<Djuna> |
indeed!
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<Surd> |
How does the print version relate to the Web version, if that is how it is?
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<carolyn> |
and i think that this new visual/textual language we use in web-spaces is absolutely choric.
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| [12:46] |
<dslattery> |
the language came out of the world of the novel
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| [12:47] |
<dslattery> |
then took on a life of its own
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| [12:47] |
<dslattery> |
but all the experts live there
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*carolyn smiles
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<dslattery> |
i'm just beginning to babytalk
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<Surd> |
ehehe
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<Djuna> |
lol!
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| [12:48] |
<jley> |
mmmm all the joy of discovery ...
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| [12:48] |
<carolyn> |
there's a listserve for glide where you can enter the world of its readers and discuss its language.
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<Djuna> |
address?
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<dslattery> |
carolyn--how many metaphors have you used for hypertext?
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| [12:49] |
<dslattery> |
hive...web...labyrinth...
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<carolyn> |
diana, maybe you can post the url.
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<carolyn> |
how many metaphors? innumerable...
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<carolyn> |
i am looking, in my dissertation, at hypertext as the penultimate archive, a visual encyclopedia that gathers together (in theory at least) all of the 'knowledge' of the world and moves it in the realm of the sensual/sensory.
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<dslattery> |
I think this is the url
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<Helen> |
sorry, folks, I have to go get ready to host Alan Sondheim's party. Maybe see you later? Thanx Carolyn.
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<dslattery> |
what is the ultimate archive, dare I ask?
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<carolyn> |
bye, helen.
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<Surd> |
Thanks for coming, Helen, will join afterwards.
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<PbN> |
bye helen
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<Helen> |
There's a search engine on trace so if you search you can find URLs in Assemblage.
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<Helen> |
bye!
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<Djuna> |
bye helen - enjoy
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<carolyn> |
this is literature built on an archival model. the ultimate archive would include not only book learning, but the knowledge of the body and of the senses.
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<carolyn> |
a history of the world as experienced rather than documented.
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<carolyn> |
it's a new interaction with time and space and language.
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<dslattery> |
wow, the akashic records
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<PbN> |
tres cool!
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<carolyn> |
akashic?
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<Loss> |
Busy day for me too. So I must also bid adieu.
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<Surd> |
Thanks, Loss.
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<Djuna> |
mmm i like that ...
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<PbN> |
C U loss...
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<Loss> |
Look forward to the transcripts!
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<jley> |
very ... I'm thinking how this will evolve with the technology ... if virtual reality becomes more available to personal computer owners
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<jley> |
bye Loss
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<Loss> |
bye all
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<jley> |
and we could walk into a Glide environment
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<dslattery> |
akashic -- mythical library of everything. where borges studied, i think
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<Surd> |
Like when you die your life is supposed to flash before your eyes... the accumulated lifetimes...
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<carolyn> |
virtual reality is, it seems to me, something of a novelty, a fad, and i think it will fade away, but the mythopoetic nature of the experience is very attractive.
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<Randy> |
i've not joined in the dissuasion, but have enjoyed myself, so long and thanks for all the links...Glide is wonderful
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<dslattery> |
thanks, randy
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<carolyn> |
thanks, diana, for the reference. i'll look into that further.
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<carolyn> |
bye, randy. thanks for coming.
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<Randy> |
hope to see more of you folks!!
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<jley> |
bye Randy
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<Randy> |
my pleasure...
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<dslattery> |
akashic--like the aleph (borges again) in book form. people have dreams about it, i think
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<carolyn> |
it's choric then...?
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<dslattery> |
must be...
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<carolyn> |
interesting.
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<dslattery> |
thanks very much, carolyn, all, duty calls.... ta
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<Djuna> |
fare well
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<Surd> |
Thank you, Diane.
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<carolyn> |
bye now. great to have you here.
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<jley> |
whoops she got away ... I was typing too long
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<carolyn> |
disappeared back into her labyrinth.
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<Surd> |
Have you written about Glide, Carolyn?
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<DavidKnoebel> |
My time is up, too. Thanks Carolyn, Jim, all. Good talk.
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<Djuna> |
:)
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<carolyn> |
i am for my dissertation, but i haven't published anything yet.
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<carolyn> |
i am doing a conference paper in the spring that looks at it too. i'll keep you posted. :-)
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<Surd> |
How far are you into your dissertation?
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<carolyn> |
well, i kinda got delayed by a stop sign running junkie, but i'd say about a third of the way in.
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<Djuna> |
urgh.....
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<carolyn> |
it should be finished by this time next year.
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<jley> |
ack cat in front of the monitor
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<Djuna> |
then what ?
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*carolyn waves to cat.
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<carolyn> |
i'm up for hire!
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*PbN emotes
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<Djuna> |
lol!
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*jley thinks some lucky students will be studying with Carolyn
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<carolyn> |
i'm going to be designing a course for an open (i.e. online) university this year about hypertext and literature.
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<carolyn> |
much depends on what opportunities present themselves.
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