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<Surd> |
Is this a kind of conceptual art? |
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<cinader> |
well i guess it could be |
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<cinader> |
in this context it was an educational tool
|
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<gbhz> |
i don't know, but there is an idea of what a
human can do in this environment |
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<gbhz> |
in fact we did with the technology we had
|
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<Surd> |
Cool. |
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<gbhz> |
so the device use the net but remain low-tech
|
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<gbhz> |
no joystick ;-) |
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<Surd> |
eheha |
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<cinader> |
yeah in this case there was no computer
|
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<gbhz> |
in wicn case? |
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<cinader> |
sorry |
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<cinader> |
the experiments at ocean of know i was describing
(oceanofk.org) |
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<cinader> |
as i keep saying, i hope the environment need
not be limited to a pc |
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<gbhz> |
i have a look |
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<Surd> |
Yes, sites as conduits between people, conduits
of various protocols... |
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<cinader> |
maybe the more protocols the better |
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<cinader> |
kurt has built a network around the HR whatever
it is boxes |
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<Surd> |
Yes... |
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<Surd> |
HR? |
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<kheintz> |
I found that more protocols actually diffused
us too much. We lost our sense of community. |
| [14:36] |
<cinader> |
while some designers are calling for standards
for browsers |
| [14:36] |
<cinader> |
i am waving a flag for more diversity
|
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<cinader> |
but you have created a community kurt
|
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<kheintz> |
(Main reason I just went out and bought the
same kind of v-phones for everybody. At least we weren't stuck in
babble, electronically.) |
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<cinader> |
exactly, a smart thing to do |
| [14:37] |
<kheintz> |
True, and thanks to your work, Martha, it's
a growing one. |
| [14:37] |
<Surd> |
A sculpture consisting of pipes. A site consisting
of communications conduits. A digeriedo, a rose... |
| [14:37] |
<cinader> |
and inexpensive |
| [14:37] |
<cinader> |
the experiment at nyu i referred to did the
same thing |
| [14:37] |
<cinader> |
built their own web between universities so
that they were able to stream |
| [14:38] |
<cinader> |
high quality video and audio |
| [14:38] |
<cinader> |
actually that is a bit of a revelation to me
at this moment |
| [14:39] |
<cinader> |
i am lacking a choice of protocol, and the community
which shares it |
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<kheintz> |
That's something I envy -- broadband, high-quality
sound and video -- because the average audience member doesn't assume
it has a way to develop before artists like us can put live video
to work. They just wonder, "Why does it look so poor?" They're waiting
for real TV on their computers. |
| [14:40] |
<cinader> |
yeah i hear ya |
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<kheintz> |
... and we're waiting for their recognition,
mostly from a technicality. |
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<cinader> |
we need to build a network of broadband
|
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<reiner> |
have to leave now - thanks for the interesting
time ---- lovetoall ... |
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<cinader> |
personally i'm not waiting for recognition
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<cinader> |
by reiner |
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<dirk> |
martha -- have you done networked interactive
music of any kind? |
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<kheintz> |
Agreed. It's OK to low-ball a project -- I rather
like the guerilla aspects of needing only a phone line to start
a videoconference. |
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<kheintz> |
But it would be great to have a broadband network
among us. I'm ready for TV here already. Martha, from the sounds
of it, you are, too. |
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<cinader> |
yes i did an event between hamburg and new york
|
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<kheintz> |
Tell me more! |
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<cinader> |
where i recited poetry with sabine worthmann
playing upright bass in germany |
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<kheintz> |
Ah, Sabine! |
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<gbhz> |
a broadband yes, the trouble is by the final
user |
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<cinader> |
it was a little difficult because i could only
hear her on the telephone! |
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<cinader> |
she heard me in the club over the system though
|
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<kheintz> |
:-( |
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<cinader> |
gbhz i don't understand what you mean
|
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<gbhz> |
i think the bradband exist between some points
does'nt reach the user at home for exemple |
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<kheintz> |
gbhz: agreed -- final viewers must have compatible
systems, but there are worthwhile experiments going merely point-to-point
with broadband. For example, Robert Ashley did a show from the Kitchen
a year or so ago with half a quartet in LA and the other half in
NY. |
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<kheintz> |
Four singers -- two cities. One show.
|
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<kheintz> |
... And two audiences. |
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<cinader> |
gbhz-yes, but i would argue that i would prefer
public places to private homes |
| [14:44] |
<gbhz> |
yes these are great experience...but did anybody
on the net acceess to it? |
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<kheintz> |
good point, Martha. |
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<cinader> |
yes i am in love with the idea two audiences
and would like them to be able to interact. |
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<gbhz> |
two or more |
| [14:45] |
<cinader> |
would love to work with a technician who knew
how to pipe several camera angles into a live |
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<cinader> |
webcast |
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<gbhz> |
i also like the idea of public spaces
|
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<cinader> |
the more the better gbhz |
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<kheintz> |
Well, we can start with two and improve from
there. Two audiences are more than anything you'll see in a conventional
theater. |
| [14:45] |
<cinader> |
although we need to build up to large events
with smaller ones |
| [14:46] |
<cinader> |
yes two is a lot more than one |
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<gbhz> |
clear |
| [14:46] |
<gbhz> |
that's clear i mean |
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<kheintz> |
Martha, where/how did you discover you wanted
to to telepresent works? |
| [14:47] |
<cinader> |
well a combination of working with you kurt,
and also with dan mcveigh at the ocean of |
| [14:47] |
<kheintz> |
You have a lot of different kinds of experience
in telepresence where most people have only one show or so to their
credit. |
| [14:47] |
<cinader> |
know, opened my mind to the possiblities. this
combined with |
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<kheintz> |
I'm just curious how you "got the bug."
|
| [14:47] |
<cinader> |
my work writing/producing radio drama put it
into the realm |
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<cinader> |
of the possible toome |
| [14:48] |
<cinader> |
add an ethic of community involvement
|
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<cinader> |
and the idea that we need to work on a world
wide community |
| [14:48] |
<cinader> |
that offers an alternative to the world bank,
the world trade organization, |
| [14:49] |
<cinader> |
and distorted maps of the world too...
|
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<kheintz> |
(Amen!) |
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<cinader> |
jim i want to thank you for inviting me this
sunday |
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<dirk> |
think you mentioned that this is more prevalent
in europe than the us? |
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<cinader> |
and all of you for participating |
| [14:50] |
<cinader> |
but i have to let the babysitter go |
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<Surd> |
Thank you, Martha, it's been an interesting
polylogue |
| [14:50] |
<cinader> |
sure has |
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<gbhz> |
ok, it was great |
| [14:50] |
<cinader> |
it has been helpful actually |
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<Surd> |
And thanks to all. |
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<gbhz> |
thx 2 u |
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<kheintz> |
Thanks indeed, Martha. And to you, too, Jim.
|
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<cinader> |
please visit me at cinasphere.com or email mc@cinader.com
|
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<Surd> |
I look forward to exploring your site, gbhz.
|
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<cinader> |
bye |
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<gbhz> |
ok i'll do the same, do u work on defib?
|
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<kheintz> |
yes! Very elaborate, gbhz. |
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<Surd> |
Good to have you here, Kurt and Dirk.
|
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<kheintz> |
Bye, Martha! |
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<dirk> |
thank you's to martha, jim, and all!
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<Surd> |
Yes, I'm Jim Andrews at vispo.com and webartery.com.
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<gbhz> |
ok |
| [14:52] |
<Surd> |
And you, gbhz? You don't have to give your name
if you don't want, of course. |
| [14:52] |
<dirk> |
signing off also |
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<Surd> |
Thanks again, Dirk. |
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<gbhz> |
i think my name is not really relevant in this
context ;-) |
| [14:53] |
<kheintz> |
Hmmm.... anonymity. ;-) |
| [14:53] |
<gbhz> |
no but to many nicknames ;-) |
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<Surd> |
We make transcripts of the events that are available
at webartery.com. |
| [14:54] |
<gbhz> |
ok, next time i'll try to be at the good time
|
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<kheintz> |
Well, I'm all out there, a proud partner of
Martha's, and at http://www.e-poets.net/ - Kurt Heintz |
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<kheintz> |
bye, all! |
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<gbhz> |
we are very interested in online events
|
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<Surd> |
Well it's all a good time, glad you could make
it. |
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<Surd> |
See you, Kurt. |
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<Surd> |
Thanks again. |
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