From jim at vispo.com  Tue Jan  8 01:39:42 2013
From: jim at vispo.com (Jim Andrews)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 23:39:42 -0800
Subject: [x] Fri Jan 11, 7pm at X: Artur Matuck
Message-ID: <86D6E3A4AB224084BBCC055296CFB070@OwnerPC>

Artur Matuck from Sao Paulo is in town for a conference and will present a 
talk to the Group of X this Friday at 7pm based on a paper entitled 
'De-Scripting Language and Identity as <Caliban at Landscript.txt> a Sperker of 
Ynglish Langbage' at http://vispo.com/temp/ArturMatuck.doc

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ARTUR MATUCK, FRI JAN 11
*****************************

Artur Matuck from Brazil will be talking to the group of x on Friday January
11, 7pm, on two topics: "Ars Combinatoria and the computational processes of
textual creation" and "De-scripting as e-writing theory and practice". Artur
Matuck is a professor, researcher and advisor at the School of
Communications and Arts in the Interfaculty Graduate Program in Aesthetics
and Art History at the University of Sao Paulo.

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ARTUR MATUCK TALK DESCRIPTIONS
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ARS COMBINATORIA AND THE COMPUTATIONAL PROCESSES OF TEXTUAL CREATION

Ars Combinatoria, as a research theme, constitutes a theoretical,
linguistic, cognitive and philosophical reflection on the combinatory basis
of verbal, written and visual discourses. The I-Ching is considered the
pioneer text to absorb its principles. The Kaballists would follow proposing
letter recombinations. Ramon Lull devised, in the 13th century, a series of
concentric movable wheels seen as the first textual machines. Lull was read
by Giordano Bruno who developed further the moving systems. They were both
read by Leibniz, inspiring his "Dissertatio of Ars Combinatoria". Some
literary procedures can be directly correlated with 'ars combinatoria'. The
poetry of Mallarm?, the work of Raymond Roussel, the procedures of
surrealists and dadaists, the movement of Brazilian concrete poetry, the
potential literature of the French group Oulipo, the inventions of Jorge
Luis Borges, the cut-ups of William Burroughs, the textual wordplays of
Marcel Duchamp, the diagram-based semiologies of Charles Sanders Pierce and
Algirdas Julien Greimas, they all demonstrate the richness of the
combinatory tool for thought and language experimentation. All those
historical processes can be reconceived as elements of an evolutionary
process since the emergence of the computer as a semiotic machine able to
recombine signs through mathematical algorithms.

DE-SCRIPTING AS E-WRITING THEORY AND PRACTICE

The de-scripting process has resulted from a challenge to create alternative
forms of electronic writing. It utilizes the computer as co-author in the
process of recreating words and phrases. A software configured as a virtual
"broken typewriter" produces alternatives to letter or word sequences. This
mathematically oriented process de-scribes written languages, through
computerized semi-random substitutions causing intentional misspellings and
misphrasings. The machine response generates a new electronic writing form.
The objective is to create new terms or formulations for poetical, literary,
aesthetic, political, linguistic, theoretical or scientific purposes and to
conceive computer processes able to renew language codes. The process
undermines the idea that languages must be protected by institutions from
possible changes. Language is seen, otherwise, as a living entity,
reflecting social forces and technologies.

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ARTUR MATUCK BIO
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Artur Matuck has been teaching Visual Arts, Communications and Literature at
the University of S?o Paulo since 1984. In S?o Paulo, Brazil, Europe, United
States, Canada and Asia, he has worked as teacher, researcher, writer,
visual artist, video producer, performer, designer of teleart events and
interactive sites and more recently as a media philosopher. Since 1977, Mr.
Matuck has been delivering conferences and workshops on New Media Arts,
Interactive Television, Telecommunication Arts, Performance Art,
Computer-Generated Writing, Intellectual Property and related issues. Since
the late 80s he has been planning videocommunication and web-based exchanges
between artists and individuals from different countries and cultures. He is
the creator of Semion - an international symbol for released information, a
theoretical and conceptual contribution to the on-going debates on
intellectual property rights and information dissemination.

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LOCATION
************

This event is at my place: #1502, 811 Helmcken street. I'm in The Imperial
Tower (!) at the corner of Howe and Helmcken. Buzz 247 to get in. If you are
coming by car, there is underground parking. If you are coming from
Granville street along Helmcken, you turn right into the alley between Howe
and Hornby. And go right at the first opportunity down into the basement.
Buzz 247 to get in. And then buzz 247 again when you are by the elevator to
get up to the 15th floor.






From jim at vispo.com  Tue Jan  8 03:54:57 2013
From: jim at vispo.com (Jim Andrews)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 01:54:57 -0800
Subject: [x] Joe Keppler
Message-ID: <D87F6467FBB24986BBD129A3281A1977@OwnerPC>

Joe Keppler will be here Friday for Artur Matuck's talk. Joe gave a talk to 
the Group of X on Oct 12. The text that Joe's talk was based on is now 
online. It's at 
http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/pdfs/FALL_COLLECTION_SEATTLE.pdf

I'm really looking forward to Friday!

ja




From jessecolinscott at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 12:28:25 2013
From: jessecolinscott at gmail.com (Jesse Scott)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:28:25 -0800
Subject: [x] Hiroaki Umeda at Push Festival
In-Reply-To: <86D6E3A4AB224084BBCC055296CFB070@OwnerPC>
References: <86D6E3A4AB224084BBCC055296CFB070@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <28691F97-0494-4E5D-B1D1-A21C9CD2FF34@gmail.com>

Thought this might be of interest to some people on this list? 
I've seen Hiroaki a few times before, and his pieces are pretty intense, like only the Japanese can manage!
It's like Butoh + Japanoise + Hip Hop + Berlin Techno + Generative VJ ? or something!

Cheers,

~ Jesse

http://pushfestival.ca/shows/holistic-strata/


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From donatoma at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 12:52:22 2013
From: donatoma at gmail.com (Donato Mancini)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:52:22 -0800
Subject: [x] Hiroaki Umeda at Push Festival
In-Reply-To: <28691F97-0494-4E5D-B1D1-A21C9CD2FF34@gmail.com>
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thanks

On 14 January 2013 10:28, Jesse Scott <jessecolinscott at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thought this might be of interest to some people on this list?
> I've seen Hiroaki a few times before, and his pieces are pretty intense,
> like only the Japanese can manage!
> It's like Butoh + Japanoise + Hip Hop + Berlin Techno + Generative VJ ? or
> something!
>
> Cheers,
>
> ~ Jesse
>
> http://pushfestival.ca/shows/holistic-strata/
>
>
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From bganter at capilanou.ca  Mon Jan 14 15:05:49 2013
From: bganter at capilanou.ca (Brian Ganter)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:05:49 +0000
Subject: [x] Hiroaki Umeda at Push Festival
In-Reply-To: <28691F97-0494-4E5D-B1D1-A21C9CD2FF34@gmail.com>
References: <86D6E3A4AB224084BBCC055296CFB070@OwnerPC>,
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Message-ID: <63BFE270CFD9844480CC6AD2696D63C9031347D3@EXCHMBNV1.cds.capilanou.ca>

thanks for this Jesse.

Brian Ganter
English Faculty and CultureNet Convenor
Humanities Division, English Department
Fir Building, Room 404
Capilano University
2055 Purcell Way
North Vancouver,
British Columbia, Canada, V7J 3H5

e-mail: bganter at capilanou.ca
tel.: 604-986-1911 ext. 2290
mobile: gantercap at gmail.com

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________________________________
From: x [x-bounces at vispo.com] on behalf of Jesse Scott [jessecolinscott at gmail.com]
Sent: 14 January 2013 10:28
To: Computer Art Vancouver
Subject: [x] Hiroaki Umeda at Push Festival

Thought this might be of interest to some people on this list?
I've seen Hiroaki a few times before, and his pieces are pretty intense, like only the Japanese can manage!
It's like Butoh + Japanoise + Hip Hop + Berlin Techno + Generative VJ ? or something!

Cheers,

~ Jesse

http://pushfestival.ca/shows/holistic-strata/


_________________________________
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Artist, Coder, Writer

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From jim at vispo.com  Wed Jan 16 13:21:31 2013
From: jim at vispo.com (Jim Andrews)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:21:31 -0800
Subject: [x] Jim Andrews at Capilano U Fri Jan 18, noon
Message-ID: <592ADC1E7516461EB7CB09E12AF1CEDA@OwnerPC>

I'll be showing and talking about some of my work at Capilano University 
this Friday (Jan 18) from 12 noon till 1:30, in the Library bldg, room# 322 
(third floor) with the candlestick.

Capilano University is in North Vancouver. The talk is open to the public. 
It's organized by Brian Ganter and Aurelia Mahood, who are teaching a third 
year level course in electronic literature this term at Capilano.

So the talk will key on the more uh literary works on my site 
http://vispo.com such as Seattle Drift (possibly the world's first DHTML 
poem), Enigma n (a philosophical poetry toy for kids and adults from the age 
of four up), Arteroids (a shoot-em-up poem game; the battle of poetry 
against itself and the forces of dullness), and On Lionel Kearns (a look 
back at the forward-looking poetry of Vancouver's Lionel Kearns). I hope to 
see you there!

Some links to some of the more literary work of mine on vispo.com:

SEATTLE DRIFT (1997)
http://vispo.com/animisms/SeattleDrift.html

ENIGMA N (1998)
http://vispo.com/animisms/enigman

ARTEROIDS (2001-2008)
http://vispo.com/arteroids
This one requires the Shockwave plugin which you can install from 
http://vispo.com/sw

ON LIONEL KEARNS (2004)
http://vispo.com/kearns
This one requires the Shockwave plugin which you can install from 
http://vispo.com/sw

STIR FRY TEXTS (1999-2010)
http://vispo.com/StirFryTexts

NIO (2000)
http://vispo.com/nio
This one requires the Shockwave plugin which you can install from 
http://vispo.com/sw

A PEN (2007)
http://vispo.com/nio/pens
This one requires the Shockwave plugin which you can install from 
http://vispo.com/sw






From noiseart at gmail.com  Wed Jan 16 19:02:38 2013
From: noiseart at gmail.com (Peter Courtemanche)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:02:38 -0800
Subject: [x] Art's Birthday events Jan 17th, 2013
Message-ID: <CA+OKGPYnZcHoUvx+NQQ6KNvOAQjY-SWEfn+3aJ26Wq0bgkJ1ow@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

Tomorrow is Art's Birthday. Here are some links to the Vancouver events.

W2 at the Waldorf starting at 8 pm
http://www.creativetechnology.org/events/dice-waldorf-fundraiser-for-w2belongs2me

and 24 Hours of Radio Art on CITR FM (midnight to midnight)
http://www.citr.ca/index.php/24-hours-of-radio-art/24-hours-of-radio-art-2013/

The global network can be found here
http://www.artsbirthday.net/

bests
peter

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From pardenarden at gmail.com  Wed Jan 16 19:43:38 2013
From: pardenarden at gmail.com (Sean Arden)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:43:38 -0800
Subject: [x] Art's Birthday events Jan 17th, 2013
In-Reply-To: <CA+OKGPYnZcHoUvx+NQQ6KNvOAQjY-SWEfn+3aJ26Wq0bgkJ1ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+OKGPYnZcHoUvx+NQQ6KNvOAQjY-SWEfn+3aJ26Wq0bgkJ1ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+2bDAeSLtTZzzBLcoT_o_QiKWVLxS9nQq4-cTQ-Dvm4HCNqQg@mail.gmail.com>

woot! where are u going to be? im teaching til 930

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Peter Courtemanche <noiseart at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> Tomorrow is Art's Birthday. Here are some links to the Vancouver events.
>
> W2 at the Waldorf starting at 8 pm
>
> http://www.creativetechnology.org/events/dice-waldorf-fundraiser-for-w2belongs2me
>
> and 24 Hours of Radio Art on CITR FM (midnight to midnight)
>
> http://www.citr.ca/index.php/24-hours-of-radio-art/24-hours-of-radio-art-2013/
>
> The global network can be found here
> http://www.artsbirthday.net/
>
> bests
> peter
>
> --
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> http://www.secondsitecollective.net
>
> _______________________________________________
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From noiseart at gmail.com  Wed Jan 16 20:45:58 2013
From: noiseart at gmail.com (Peter Courtemanche)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:45:58 -0800
Subject: [x] Art's Birthday events Jan 17th, 2013
In-Reply-To: <CA+2bDAeSLtTZzzBLcoT_o_QiKWVLxS9nQq4-cTQ-Dvm4HCNqQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+OKGPYnZcHoUvx+NQQ6KNvOAQjY-SWEfn+3aJ26Wq0bgkJ1ow@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+2bDAeSLtTZzzBLcoT_o_QiKWVLxS9nQq4-cTQ-Dvm4HCNqQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+OKGPak0QEYoy7onyR_6o=7jc9vSJ=sZKL6HejgUW5QY_43Ng@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sean,

If I can get my streaming software to cooperate (so I don't have to
baby sit it) I'll be heading for the Waldorf around 9:30.

cu there maybe

bests
peter

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Sean Arden <pardenarden at gmail.com> wrote:
> woot! where are u going to be? im teaching til 930
>
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Peter Courtemanche <noiseart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Tomorrow is Art's Birthday. Here are some links to the Vancouver events.
>>
>> W2 at the Waldorf starting at 8 pm
>>
>> http://www.creativetechnology.org/events/dice-waldorf-fundraiser-for-w2belongs2me
>>
>> and 24 Hours of Radio Art on CITR FM (midnight to midnight)
>>
>> http://www.citr.ca/index.php/24-hours-of-radio-art/24-hours-of-radio-art-2013/
>>
>> The global network can be found here
>> http://www.artsbirthday.net/
>>
>> bests
>> peter
>>
>> --
>> http://absolutevalueofnoise.ca
>> http://www.secondsitecollective.net
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> x mailing list
>> x at vispo.com
>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>
>
>
>
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From malcolm at newformsfestival.com  Wed Jan 16 22:29:23 2013
From: malcolm at newformsfestival.com (Malcolm Levy)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:29:23 -0800
Subject: [x] Art's Birthday events Jan 17th, 2013
In-Reply-To: <CA+OKGPak0QEYoy7onyR_6o=7jc9vSJ=sZKL6HejgUW5QY_43Ng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+OKGPYnZcHoUvx+NQQ6KNvOAQjY-SWEfn+3aJ26Wq0bgkJ1ow@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+2bDAeSLtTZzzBLcoT_o_QiKWVLxS9nQq4-cTQ-Dvm4HCNqQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+OKGPak0QEYoy7onyR_6o=7jc9vSJ=sZKL6HejgUW5QY_43Ng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2992831-8CBC-45EF-B794-C8D5F599B0DE@newformsfestival.com>

I should be there tomorrow night as well, and I am doing an interview and plug tonight with Meagan from CITR.

Looking forward to it!  Also, Peter, I remember the art birthdays at the Front, wonderful to seeing it going even stronger than ever!

All best,

Malcolm

On 2013-01-16, at 6:45 PM, Peter Courtemanche <noiseart at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Sean,
> 
> If I can get my streaming software to cooperate (so I don't have to
> baby sit it) I'll be heading for the Waldorf around 9:30.
> 
> cu there maybe
> 
> bests
> peter
> 
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Sean Arden <pardenarden at gmail.com> wrote:
>> woot! where are u going to be? im teaching til 930
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Peter Courtemanche <noiseart at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> 
>>> Tomorrow is Art's Birthday. Here are some links to the Vancouver events.
>>> 
>>> W2 at the Waldorf starting at 8 pm
>>> 
>>> http://www.creativetechnology.org/events/dice-waldorf-fundraiser-for-w2belongs2me
>>> 
>>> and 24 Hours of Radio Art on CITR FM (midnight to midnight)
>>> 
>>> http://www.citr.ca/index.php/24-hours-of-radio-art/24-hours-of-radio-art-2013/
>>> 
>>> The global network can be found here
>>> http://www.artsbirthday.net/
>>> 
>>> bests
>>> peter
>>> 
>>> --
>>> http://absolutevalueofnoise.ca
>>> http://www.secondsitecollective.net
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> x mailing list
>>> x at vispo.com
>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Sean Arden
>> ----------------
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>> pardenarden.tumblr.com
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>> twitter
>> vimeo
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>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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#200-252 East 1st Avenue
Vancouver, B.C.
V5T-1A6
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NFF 13: September 2013 in Vancouver, Canada

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From jessecolinscott at gmail.com  Thu Jan 24 18:21:15 2013
From: jessecolinscott at gmail.com (Jesse Scott)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:21:15 -0800
Subject: [x] Processing Vancouver Meetup | Jan 29th 7pm
Message-ID: <E42B374A-591F-4A00-A9E4-D7E55A59156F@gmail.com>

Please join us for the January session of Processing Vancouver, hosted by VIVO Media Arts.
(finally!)
Note that the meet ups have been rescheduled to the LAST TUESDAY of each month? 

We will have a presentation/discussion about the RE:CODE project ( http://recodeproject.com/ ) to which I would like to propose the P5 Van community contribute to? 

As well, Vincent Van Haaff (aka flyingoctopus ) will present his past and present work in Processing, openFrameworks, and Cinder. If you haven't seen Vincent's work before, please see http://flyingoctopus.net/

Other presentations / topics TBA (please reply back if you are interested in presenting? ) 

Libations will be provided, discussions will ensue?  et cetera et cetera 

#P5Van
Jan 29th, 7-10pm
@ VIVO Media Arts
1965 Main St
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www.processingvancouver.ca
www.vivomediaarts.com


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From bbogart at sfu.ca  Thu Jan 24 19:59:09 2013
From: bbogart at sfu.ca (B. Bogart)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:59:09 -0800
Subject: [x] Processing Vancouver Meetup | Jan 29th 7pm
In-Reply-To: <E42B374A-591F-4A00-A9E4-D7E55A59156F@gmail.com>
References: <E42B374A-591F-4A00-A9E4-D7E55A59156F@gmail.com>
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Hey Jesse,

I'm just curious why this is a "processing" series, rather than a
general creative coding series? (As in inclusive to openframeworks,
supercolider, Max, PD, etc.)

The topics sound interesting, but I have no interest in processing itself...

b.

On 13-01-24 04:21 PM, Jesse Scott wrote:
> Please join us for the January session of Processing Vancouver, hosted
> by VIVO Media Arts.
> (finally!)
> Note that the meet ups have been rescheduled to the *LAST TUESDAY* of
> each month? 
> 
> We will have a presentation/discussion about the RE:CODE project
> ( http://recodeproject.com/ ) to which I would like to propose the P5
> Van community contribute to? 
> 
> As well, Vincent Van Haaff (aka flyingoctopus
> <http://flyingoctopus.net/bio/> ) will present his past and present work
> in Processing, openFrameworks, and Cinder. If you haven't seen Vincent's
> work before, please see http://flyingoctopus.net/
> 
> Other presentations / topics TBA (please reply back if you are
> interested in presenting? ) 
> 
> Libations will be provided, discussions will ensue?  et cetera et cetera 
> 
> #P5Van
> Jan 29th, 7-10pm
> @ VIVO Media Arts
> 1965 Main St
> ____________
> Processing Vancouver
> 
> www.processingvancouver.ca <http://www.processingvancouver.ca/>
> www.vivomediaarts.com <http://www.vivomediaarts.com/>
> 
> 
> *Processing Vancouver*
> 
> processingvancouver.ca <http://processingvancouver.ca/>
> @P5Van <https://twitter.com/#!/P5Van>
> __________________
> 
> /part of the global Processing Cities network/
> 
> 
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From jessecolinscott at gmail.com  Fri Jan 25 11:54:52 2013
From: jessecolinscott at gmail.com (Jesse Scott)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:54:52 -0800
Subject: [x] Processing Vancouver Meetup | Jan 29th 7pm
In-Reply-To: <5101E6ED.7000101@sfu.ca>
References: <E42B374A-591F-4A00-A9E4-D7E55A59156F@gmail.com>
	<5101E6ED.7000101@sfu.ca>
Message-ID: <CABsgEqv_r_wVhVwry57u4_s47VdoOCBodVgvAou0QXacnuVDTA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ben,

It's just nomenclature.

Last year there were several "Processing Cities" that came about across the
world, similar to Dorkbot or the Upgrade! ... I was part of starting the
Berlin chapter, and when I cam back to Vancouver - before I knew about this
group for example - I decided to start one here.

If you read the website, its quite explicit (i thought, pls tell me if not)
that its about ALL Creative Coding platforms....

Regards,

Jesse

____________
Jesse Scott
 On Jan 24, 2013 5:59 PM, "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:

> Hey Jesse,
>
> I'm just curious why this is a "processing" series, rather than a
> general creative coding series? (As in inclusive to openframeworks,
> supercolider, Max, PD, etc.)
>
> The topics sound interesting, but I have no interest in processing
> itself...
>
> b.
>
> On 13-01-24 04:21 PM, Jesse Scott wrote:
> > Please join us for the January session of Processing Vancouver, hosted
> > by VIVO Media Arts.
> > (finally!)
> > Note that the meet ups have been rescheduled to the *LAST TUESDAY* of
> > each month?
> >
> > We will have a presentation/discussion about the RE:CODE project
> > ( http://recodeproject.com/ ) to which I would like to propose the P5
> > Van community contribute to?
> >
> > As well, Vincent Van Haaff (aka flyingoctopus
> > <http://flyingoctopus.net/bio/> ) will present his past and present work
> > in Processing, openFrameworks, and Cinder. If you haven't seen Vincent's
> > work before, please see http://flyingoctopus.net/
> >
> > Other presentations / topics TBA (please reply back if you are
> > interested in presenting? )
> >
> > Libations will be provided, discussions will ensue?  et cetera et cetera
> >
> > #P5Van
> > Jan 29th, 7-10pm
> > @ VIVO Media Arts
> > 1965 Main St
> > ____________
> > Processing Vancouver
> >
> > www.processingvancouver.ca <http://www.processingvancouver.ca/>
> > www.vivomediaarts.com <http://www.vivomediaarts.com/>
> >
> >
> > *Processing Vancouver*
> >
> > processingvancouver.ca <http://processingvancouver.ca/>
> > @P5Van <https://twitter.com/#!/P5Van>
> > __________________
> >
> > /part of the global Processing Cities network/
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > x mailing list
> > x at vispo.com
> > http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
> >
>
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From jim at vispo.com  Sun Jan 27 01:54:27 2013
From: jim at vispo.com (Jim Andrews)
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:54:27 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
Message-ID: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC>

Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x newsworthy': Ray 
Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering. See, for 
instance, 
http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google 
.

ja 




From jim at vispo.com  Mon Jan 28 12:58:13 2013
From: jim at vispo.com (Jim Andrews)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:58:13 -0800
Subject: [x] New Directions in Digital Poetry -- C. T. Funkhouser
Message-ID: <86645EA4373B4B3080EB60CC1131A8B8@OwnerPC>

Here's a review of a book that discusses several works of mine including 
Arteroids, which is mentioned in the review: 
http://triquarterly.org/reviews/new-directions-digital-poetry-ct-funkhouser

Funkhouser's book New Directions in Digital Poetry is relatively 
adventurous, as literary enterprises go, in the works it explores as digital 
poetry.

ja 




From bbogart at sfu.ca  Mon Jan 28 14:01:42 2013
From: bbogart at sfu.ca (B. Bogart)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:01:42 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
In-Reply-To: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC>
References: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <5106D926.7010709@sfu.ca>

Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents on here?

I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is not
familiar with Ray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1

B.

On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
> Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x newsworthy':
> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering. See, for
> instance,
> http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google
> .
> 
> ja
> 
> _______________________________________________
> x mailing list
> x at vispo.com
> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
> 



From jessecolinscott at gmail.com  Mon Jan 28 14:05:17 2013
From: jessecolinscott at gmail.com (Jesse Scott)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:05:17 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
In-Reply-To: <5106D926.7010709@sfu.ca>
References: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC>
	<5106D926.7010709@sfu.ca>
Message-ID: <BBFFC072-8B80-421D-ABB8-61284FFC6408@gmail.com>

He is one of the first AI / transhumanists, no ?


On 2013-01-28, at 12:01 PM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:

> Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents on here?
> 
> I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is not
> familiar with Ray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1
> 
> B.
> 
> On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>> Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x newsworthy':
>> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering. See, for
>> instance,
>> http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google
>> .
>> 
>> ja
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> x mailing list
>> x at vispo.com
>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> x mailing list
> x at vispo.com
> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com




From jim at vispo.com  Mon Jan 28 14:18:17 2013
From: jim at vispo.com (Jim Andrews)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:18:17 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
In-Reply-To: <BBFFC072-8B80-421D-ABB8-61284FFC6408@gmail.com>
References: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC><5106D926.7010709@sfu.ca>
	<BBFFC072-8B80-421D-ABB8-61284FFC6408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EB864367B4334A22B9A87AAB3B1E1A84@OwnerPC>

As Steve Dipaola pointed out to me on Facebook, Kurzweil's work as a 
software inventor and business man has been pretty spectacular. He was a 
leader in three quite advanced areas: optical character recognition; music 
synthesizers; and speech recognition. In all three cases, he developed 
successful software and associated businesses and sold them. He has been 
developing and selling software since his MIT days.

His writings as a futurist/transhumanist etc. and his writings about "the 
age of spiritual machines" are probably more high-profile than his very 
solid accomplishments as an inventor and software guy. He's even written a 
poetry generator. He's a bit wacky on some points; he says he believes it 
could be possible to live indefinitely into the future. Which makes you 
wonder if he has a grasp on what makes life worth living. But he's clearly a 
good choice for Google if they're looking for vision concerning AI and a 
proven business track record.

Anyway, I guess we're all wondering what he can do at Google about 'the age 
of spiritual machines'.

ja

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jesse Scott" <jessecolinscott at gmail.com>
To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering


> He is one of the first AI / transhumanists, no ?
>
>
> On 2013-01-28, at 12:01 PM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
>
>> Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents on here?
>>
>> I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is not
>> familiar with Ray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1
>>
>> B.
>>
>> On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>> Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x newsworthy':
>>> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering. See, for
>>> instance,
>>> http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google
>>> .
>>>
>>> ja
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> x mailing list
>>> x at vispo.com
>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> x mailing list
>> x at vispo.com
>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> x mailing list
> x at vispo.com
> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com 




From ideatron at gmail.com  Mon Jan 28 15:30:40 2013
From: ideatron at gmail.com (Jeremy Turner)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:30:40 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
In-Reply-To: <5106D926.7010709@sfu.ca>
References: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC>
	<5106D926.7010709@sfu.ca>
Message-ID: <07768090-7827-4A43-A25F-825DFB11989B@gmail.com>

Hey there,
Yes, I guess I qualify as a singularity fanatic ;-)

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-01-28, at 12:01 PM, "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:

> Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents on here?
> 
> I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is not
> familiar with Ray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1
> 
> B.
> 
> On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>> Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x newsworthy':
>> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering. See, for
>> instance,
>> http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google
>> .
>> 
>> ja
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> x mailing list
>> x at vispo.com
>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> x mailing list
> x at vispo.com
> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com



From ideatron at gmail.com  Mon Jan 28 15:32:41 2013
From: ideatron at gmail.com (Jeremy Turner)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:32:41 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
In-Reply-To: <EB864367B4334A22B9A87AAB3B1E1A84@OwnerPC>
References: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC>
	<5106D926.7010709@sfu.ca>
	<BBFFC072-8B80-421D-ABB8-61284FFC6408@gmail.com>
	<EB864367B4334A22B9A87AAB3B1E1A84@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <9C4BB765-259E-4F8C-94CB-FC1B60CE9F5D@gmail.com>

On that subject, I wonder if I am following Ray's official page on facebook... It seems that I am one of three people that like "Ray's" links.. He could be a bot ;-)

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-01-28, at 12:18 PM, "Jim Andrews" <jim at vispo.com> wrote:

> As Steve Dipaola pointed out to me on Facebook, Kurzweil's work as a software inventor and business man has been pretty spectacular. He was a leader in three quite advanced areas: optical character recognition; music synthesizers; and speech recognition. In all three cases, he developed successful software and associated businesses and sold them. He has been developing and selling software since his MIT days.
> 
> His writings as a futurist/transhumanist etc. and his writings about "the age of spiritual machines" are probably more high-profile than his very solid accomplishments as an inventor and software guy. He's even written a poetry generator. He's a bit wacky on some points; he says he believes it could be possible to live indefinitely into the future. Which makes you wonder if he has a grasp on what makes life worth living. But he's clearly a good choice for Google if they're looking for vision concerning AI and a proven business track record.
> 
> Anyway, I guess we're all wondering what he can do at Google about 'the age of spiritual machines'.
> 
> ja
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Scott" <jessecolinscott at gmail.com>
> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
> 
> 
>> He is one of the first AI / transhumanists, no ?
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:01 PM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents on here?
>>> 
>>> I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is not
>>> familiar with Ray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1
>>> 
>>> B.
>>> 
>>> On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>> Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x newsworthy':
>>>> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering. See, for
>>>> instance,
>>>> http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google
>>>> .
>>>> 
>>>> ja
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> x mailing list
>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> x mailing list
>>> x at vispo.com
>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> x mailing list
>> x at vispo.com
>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> x mailing list
> x at vispo.com
> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com



From bbogart at sfu.ca  Tue Jan 29 10:45:24 2013
From: bbogart at sfu.ca (B. Bogart)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:45:24 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
In-Reply-To: <9C4BB765-259E-4F8C-94CB-FC1B60CE9F5D@gmail.com>
References: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC>
	<5106D926.7010709@sfu.ca>
	<BBFFC072-8B80-421D-ABB8-61284FFC6408@gmail.com>
	<EB864367B4334A22B9A87AAB3B1E1A84@OwnerPC>
	<9C4BB765-259E-4F8C-94CB-FC1B60CE9F5D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5107FCA4.9000003@sfu.ca>

Jeremy,

Either way Ray *wants* to be a bot. ;)

I've being working piecemeal on my anti-singularity argument on the IEET
forums, here is one interesting back and forth:

http://ieet.org/index.php/S=b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde67c1d48cff/IEET/more/cannon20120801

I have not been on this list for long, do discussions every happen? (or
just announcements?)

B.

On 13-01-28 01:32 PM, Jeremy Turner wrote:
> On that subject, I wonder if I am following Ray's official page on facebook... It seems that I am one of three people that like "Ray's" links.. He could be a bot ;-)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2013-01-28, at 12:18 PM, "Jim Andrews" <jim at vispo.com> wrote:
> 
>> As Steve Dipaola pointed out to me on Facebook, Kurzweil's work as a software inventor and business man has been pretty spectacular. He was a leader in three quite advanced areas: optical character recognition; music synthesizers; and speech recognition. In all three cases, he developed successful software and associated businesses and sold them. He has been developing and selling software since his MIT days.
>>
>> His writings as a futurist/transhumanist etc. and his writings about "the age of spiritual machines" are probably more high-profile than his very solid accomplishments as an inventor and software guy. He's even written a poetry generator. He's a bit wacky on some points; he says he believes it could be possible to live indefinitely into the future. Which makes you wonder if he has a grasp on what makes life worth living. But he's clearly a good choice for Google if they're looking for vision concerning AI and a proven business track record.
>>
>> Anyway, I guess we're all wondering what he can do at Google about 'the age of spiritual machines'.
>>
>> ja
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Scott" <jessecolinscott at gmail.com>
>> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>
>>
>>> He is one of the first AI / transhumanists, no ?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:01 PM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents on here?
>>>>
>>>> I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is not
>>>> familiar with Ray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1
>>>>
>>>> B.
>>>>
>>>> On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>>> Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x newsworthy':
>>>>> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering. See, for
>>>>> instance,
>>>>> http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> ja
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> x mailing list
>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> x mailing list
>>> x at vispo.com
>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com 
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> x mailing list
>> x at vispo.com
>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> x mailing list
> x at vispo.com
> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
> 



From jim at vispo.com  Tue Jan 29 13:43:00 2013
From: jim at vispo.com (Jim Andrews)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:43:00 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
In-Reply-To: <5107FCA4.9000003@sfu.ca>
References: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC><5106D926.7010709@sfu.ca><BBFFC072-8B80-421D-ABB8-61284FFC6408@gmail.com><EB864367B4334A22B9A87AAB3B1E1A84@OwnerPC><9C4BB765-259E-4F8C-94CB-FC1B60CE9F5D@gmail.com>
	<5107FCA4.9000003@sfu.ca>
Message-ID: <F2C7CCBFDE1E4F709F90B83D41C91F2A@OwnerPC>

Hi Ben,

The list is mainly for announcements. About Group of X events. But also 
related things. Announcements about new work, reviews, shows, grants, and so 
on. Kurzweil becoming Google Director of Technology is not any of these, of 
course, but it's a significant event very relevant to computer art.

Occassional discussions are OK as long as they're to the point and 
occassional. I reserve the right to moderate the list.

ja

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca>
To: <x at vispo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering


> Jeremy,
>
> Either way Ray *wants* to be a bot. ;)
>
> I've being working piecemeal on my anti-singularity argument on the IEET
> forums, here is one interesting back and forth:
>
> http://ieet.org/index.php/S=b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde67c1d48cff/IEET/more/cannon20120801
>
> I have not been on this list for long, do discussions every happen? (or
> just announcements?)
>
> B.
>
> On 13-01-28 01:32 PM, Jeremy Turner wrote:
>> On that subject, I wonder if I am following Ray's official page on 
>> facebook... It seems that I am one of three people that like "Ray's" 
>> links.. He could be a bot ;-)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:18 PM, "Jim Andrews" <jim at vispo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As Steve Dipaola pointed out to me on Facebook, Kurzweil's work as a 
>>> software inventor and business man has been pretty spectacular. He was a 
>>> leader in three quite advanced areas: optical character recognition; 
>>> music synthesizers; and speech recognition. In all three cases, he 
>>> developed successful software and associated businesses and sold them. 
>>> He has been developing and selling software since his MIT days.
>>>
>>> His writings as a futurist/transhumanist etc. and his writings about 
>>> "the age of spiritual machines" are probably more high-profile than his 
>>> very solid accomplishments as an inventor and software guy. He's even 
>>> written a poetry generator. He's a bit wacky on some points; he says he 
>>> believes it could be possible to live indefinitely into the future. 
>>> Which makes you wonder if he has a grasp on what makes life worth 
>>> living. But he's clearly a good choice for Google if they're looking for 
>>> vision concerning AI and a proven business track record.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I guess we're all wondering what he can do at Google about 'the 
>>> age of spiritual machines'.
>>>
>>> ja
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Scott" 
>>> <jessecolinscott at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>>
>>>
>>>> He is one of the first AI / transhumanists, no ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:01 PM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents on 
>>>>> here?
>>>>>
>>>>> I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is not
>>>>> familiar with Ray: 
>>>>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1
>>>>>
>>>>> B.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>>>> Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x 
>>>>>> newsworthy':
>>>>>> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering. See, 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>> http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ja
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> x mailing list
>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> x mailing list
>>> x at vispo.com
>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> x mailing list
>> x at vispo.com
>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>
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From bganter at capilanou.ca  Tue Jan 29 14:17:23 2013
From: bganter at capilanou.ca (Brian Ganter)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:17:23 +0000
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
In-Reply-To: <5107FCA4.9000003@sfu.ca>
References: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC>
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	<EB864367B4334A22B9A87AAB3B1E1A84@OwnerPC>
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In my experience, this is the first actual ongoing discussion on the [x] list. Here's to hoping they happen more frequently.


Brian Ganter
English Faculty and CultureNet Convenor
Humanities Division, English Department
Fir Building, Room 404
Capilano University
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British Columbia, Canada, V7J 3H5

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________________________________________
From: x [x-bounces at vispo.com] on behalf of B. Bogart [bbogart at sfu.ca]
Sent: 29 January 2013 08:45
To: x at vispo.com
Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering

Jeremy,

Either way Ray *wants* to be a bot. ;)

I've being working piecemeal on my anti-singularity argument on the IEET
forums, here is one interesting back and forth:

http://ieet.org/index.php/S=b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde67c1d48cff/IEET/more/cannon20120801

I have not been on this list for long, do discussions every happen? (or
just announcements?)

B.

On 13-01-28 01:32 PM, Jeremy Turner wrote:
> On that subject, I wonder if I am following Ray's official page on facebook... It seems that I am one of three people that like "Ray's" links.. He could be a bot ;-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2013-01-28, at 12:18 PM, "Jim Andrews" <jim at vispo.com> wrote:
>
>> As Steve Dipaola pointed out to me on Facebook, Kurzweil's work as a software inventor and business man has been pretty spectacular. He was a leader in three quite advanced areas: optical character recognition; music synthesizers; and speech recognition. In all three cases, he developed successful software and associated businesses and sold them. He has been developing and selling software since his MIT days.
>>
>> His writings as a futurist/transhumanist etc. and his writings about "the age of spiritual machines" are probably more high-profile than his very solid accomplishments as an inventor and software guy. He's even written a poetry generator. He's a bit wacky on some points; he says he believes it could be possible to live indefinitely into the future. Which makes you wonder if he has a grasp on what makes life worth living. But he's clearly a good choice for Google if they're looking for vision concerning AI and a proven business track record.
>>
>> Anyway, I guess we're all wondering what he can do at Google about 'the age of spiritual machines'.
>>
>> ja
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Scott" <jessecolinscott at gmail.com>
>> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>
>>
>>> He is one of the first AI / transhumanists, no ?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:01 PM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents on here?
>>>>
>>>> I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is not
>>>> familiar with Ray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1
>>>>
>>>> B.
>>>>
>>>> On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>>> Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x newsworthy':
>>>>> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering. See, for
>>>>> instance,
>>>>> http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> ja
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> x mailing list
>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> x mailing list
>>> x at vispo.com
>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> x mailing list
>> x at vispo.com
>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> x mailing list
> x at vispo.com
> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>

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From ideatron at gmail.com  Tue Jan 29 15:46:36 2013
From: ideatron at gmail.com (Jeremy Turner)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:46:36 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
In-Reply-To: <5107FCA4.9000003@sfu.ca>
References: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC>
	<5106D926.7010709@sfu.ca>
	<BBFFC072-8B80-421D-ABB8-61284FFC6408@gmail.com>
	<EB864367B4334A22B9A87AAB3B1E1A84@OwnerPC>
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Hey Ben,
Usually this list is for announcements.
I will definitely check out your anti-singularity argument though :-)

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-01-29, at 8:45 AM, "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:

> Jeremy,
> 
> Either way Ray *wants* to be a bot. ;)
> 
> I've being working piecemeal on my anti-singularity argument on the IEET
> forums, here is one interesting back and forth:
> 
> http://ieet.org/index.php/S=b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde67c1d48cff/IEET/more/cannon20120801
> 
> I have not been on this list for long, do discussions every happen? (or
> just announcements?)
> 
> B.
> 
> On 13-01-28 01:32 PM, Jeremy Turner wrote:
>> On that subject, I wonder if I am following Ray's official page on facebook... It seems that I am one of three people that like "Ray's" links.. He could be a bot ;-)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:18 PM, "Jim Andrews" <jim at vispo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> As Steve Dipaola pointed out to me on Facebook, Kurzweil's work as a software inventor and business man has been pretty spectacular. He was a leader in three quite advanced areas: optical character recognition; music synthesizers; and speech recognition. In all three cases, he developed successful software and associated businesses and sold them. He has been developing and selling software since his MIT days.
>>> 
>>> His writings as a futurist/transhumanist etc. and his writings about "the age of spiritual machines" are probably more high-profile than his very solid accomplishments as an inventor and software guy. He's even written a poetry generator. He's a bit wacky on some points; he says he believes it could be possible to live indefinitely into the future. Which makes you wonder if he has a grasp on what makes life worth living. But he's clearly a good choice for Google if they're looking for vision concerning AI and a proven business track record.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I guess we're all wondering what he can do at Google about 'the age of spiritual machines'.
>>> 
>>> ja
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Scott" <jessecolinscott at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> He is one of the first AI / transhumanists, no ?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:01 PM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents on here?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is not
>>>>> familiar with Ray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1
>>>>> 
>>>>> B.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>>>> Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x newsworthy':
>>>>>> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering. See, for
>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>> http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ja
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> x mailing list
>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> x mailing list
>>> x at vispo.com
>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> x mailing list
>> x at vispo.com
>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> x mailing list
> x at vispo.com
> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com



From ideatron at gmail.com  Tue Jan 29 15:48:22 2013
From: ideatron at gmail.com (Jeremy Turner)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:48:22 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
In-Reply-To: <63BFE270CFD9844480CC6AD2696D63C903B2B5F9@EXCHMBNV1.cds.capilanou.ca>
References: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC>
	<5106D926.7010709@sfu.ca>
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Ahhh I sort of know Lincoln... Always great to get the mormon perspective in the singularity :-)

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-01-29, at 12:17 PM, Brian Ganter <bganter at capilanou.ca> wrote:

> In my experience, this is the first actual ongoing discussion on the [x] list. Here's to hoping they happen more frequently.
> 
> 
> Brian Ganter
> English Faculty and CultureNet Convenor
> Humanities Division, English Department
> Fir Building, Room 404
> Capilano University
> 2055 Purcell Way
> North Vancouver,
> British Columbia, Canada, V7J 3H5
> 
> e-mail: bganter at capilanou.ca
> tel.: 604-986-1911 ext. 2290
> mobile: gantercap at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: x [x-bounces at vispo.com] on behalf of B. Bogart [bbogart at sfu.ca]
> Sent: 29 January 2013 08:45
> To: x at vispo.com
> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
> 
> Jeremy,
> 
> Either way Ray *wants* to be a bot. ;)
> 
> I've being working piecemeal on my anti-singularity argument on the IEET
> forums, here is one interesting back and forth:
> 
> http://ieet.org/index.php/S=b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde67c1d48cff/IEET/more/cannon20120801
> 
> I have not been on this list for long, do discussions every happen? (or
> just announcements?)
> 
> B.
> 
> On 13-01-28 01:32 PM, Jeremy Turner wrote:
>> On that subject, I wonder if I am following Ray's official page on facebook... It seems that I am one of three people that like "Ray's" links.. He could be a bot ;-)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:18 PM, "Jim Andrews" <jim at vispo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> As Steve Dipaola pointed out to me on Facebook, Kurzweil's work as a software inventor and business man has been pretty spectacular. He was a leader in three quite advanced areas: optical character recognition; music synthesizers; and speech recognition. In all three cases, he developed successful software and associated businesses and sold them. He has been developing and selling software since his MIT days.
>>> 
>>> His writings as a futurist/transhumanist etc. and his writings about "the age of spiritual machines" are probably more high-profile than his very solid accomplishments as an inventor and software guy. He's even written a poetry generator. He's a bit wacky on some points; he says he believes it could be possible to live indefinitely into the future. Which makes you wonder if he has a grasp on what makes life worth living. But he's clearly a good choice for Google if they're looking for vision concerning AI and a proven business track record.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I guess we're all wondering what he can do at Google about 'the age of spiritual machines'.
>>> 
>>> ja
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Scott" <jessecolinscott at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> He is one of the first AI / transhumanists, no ?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:01 PM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents on here?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is not
>>>>> familiar with Ray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1
>>>>> 
>>>>> B.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>>>> Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x newsworthy':
>>>>>> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering. See, for
>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>> http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ja
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> x mailing list
>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> x mailing list
>>> x at vispo.com
>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> x mailing list
>> x at vispo.com
>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> x mailing list
> x at vispo.com
> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> x mailing list
> x at vispo.com
> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com



From bbogart at sfu.ca  Tue Jan 29 15:51:22 2013
From: bbogart at sfu.ca (B. Bogart)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:51:22 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
In-Reply-To: <F2C7CCBFDE1E4F709F90B83D41C91F2A@OwnerPC>
References: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC><5106D926.7010709@sfu.ca><BBFFC072-8B80-421D-ABB8-61284FFC6408@gmail.com><EB864367B4334A22B9A87AAB3B1E1A84@OwnerPC><9C4BB765-259E-4F8C-94CB-FC1B60CE9F5D@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <5108445A.3070109@sfu.ca>

Thanks for the clarification Jim!

I'll leave this thread as is!

Ben

On 13-01-29 11:43 AM, Jim Andrews wrote:
> Hi Ben,
> 
> The list is mainly for announcements. About Group of X events. But also
> related things. Announcements about new work, reviews, shows, grants,
> and so on. Kurzweil becoming Google Director of Technology is not any of
> these, of course, but it's a significant event very relevant to computer
> art.
> 
> Occassional discussions are OK as long as they're to the point and
> occassional. I reserve the right to moderate the list.
> 
> ja
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca>
> To: <x at vispo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
> 
> 
>> Jeremy,
>>
>> Either way Ray *wants* to be a bot. ;)
>>
>> I've being working piecemeal on my anti-singularity argument on the IEET
>> forums, here is one interesting back and forth:
>>
>> http://ieet.org/index.php/S=b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde67c1d48cff/IEET/more/cannon20120801
>>
>>
>> I have not been on this list for long, do discussions every happen? (or
>> just announcements?)
>>
>> B.
>>
>> On 13-01-28 01:32 PM, Jeremy Turner wrote:
>>> On that subject, I wonder if I am following Ray's official page on
>>> facebook... It seems that I am one of three people that like "Ray's"
>>> links.. He could be a bot ;-)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:18 PM, "Jim Andrews" <jim at vispo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As Steve Dipaola pointed out to me on Facebook, Kurzweil's work as a
>>>> software inventor and business man has been pretty spectacular. He
>>>> was a leader in three quite advanced areas: optical character
>>>> recognition; music synthesizers; and speech recognition. In all
>>>> three cases, he developed successful software and associated
>>>> businesses and sold them. He has been developing and selling
>>>> software since his MIT days.
>>>>
>>>> His writings as a futurist/transhumanist etc. and his writings about
>>>> "the age of spiritual machines" are probably more high-profile than
>>>> his very solid accomplishments as an inventor and software guy. He's
>>>> even written a poetry generator. He's a bit wacky on some points; he
>>>> says he believes it could be possible to live indefinitely into the
>>>> future. Which makes you wonder if he has a grasp on what makes life
>>>> worth living. But he's clearly a good choice for Google if they're
>>>> looking for vision concerning AI and a proven business track record.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I guess we're all wondering what he can do at Google about
>>>> 'the age of spiritual machines'.
>>>>
>>>> ja
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Scott"
>>>> <jessecolinscott at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:05 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> He is one of the first AI / transhumanists, no ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:01 PM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents
>>>>>> on here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is not
>>>>>> familiar with Ray:
>>>>>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>>>>> Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x
>>>>>>> newsworthy':
>>>>>>> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering.
>>>>>>> See, for
>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>> http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ja
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> x mailing list
>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> x mailing list
>>> x at vispo.com
>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> x mailing list
>> x at vispo.com
>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> x mailing list
> x at vispo.com
> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
> 



From ideatron at gmail.com  Tue Jan 29 16:04:05 2013
From: ideatron at gmail.com (Jeremy Turner)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:04:05 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
In-Reply-To: <5108445A.3070109@sfu.ca>
References: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC>
	<5106D926.7010709@sfu.ca>
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	<EB864367B4334A22B9A87AAB3B1E1A84@OwnerPC>
	<9C4BB765-259E-4F8C-94CB-FC1B60CE9F5D@gmail.com>
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	<F2C7CCBFDE1E4F709F90B83D41C91F2A@OwnerPC>
	<5108445A.3070109@sfu.ca>
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I had a look at your comments from that link you posted...lots to absorb as one commentator said... I will definitely read more closely to see if I can generate an opinion on the subject...

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-01-29, at 1:51 PM, "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:

> Thanks for the clarification Jim!
> 
> I'll leave this thread as is!
> 
> Ben
> 
> On 13-01-29 11:43 AM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>> Hi Ben,
>> 
>> The list is mainly for announcements. About Group of X events. But also
>> related things. Announcements about new work, reviews, shows, grants,
>> and so on. Kurzweil becoming Google Director of Technology is not any of
>> these, of course, but it's a significant event very relevant to computer
>> art.
>> 
>> Occassional discussions are OK as long as they're to the point and
>> occassional. I reserve the right to moderate the list.
>> 
>> ja
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca>
>> To: <x at vispo.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>> 
>> 
>>> Jeremy,
>>> 
>>> Either way Ray *wants* to be a bot. ;)
>>> 
>>> I've being working piecemeal on my anti-singularity argument on the IEET
>>> forums, here is one interesting back and forth:
>>> 
>>> http://ieet.org/index.php/S=b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde67c1d48cff/IEET/more/cannon20120801
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have not been on this list for long, do discussions every happen? (or
>>> just announcements?)
>>> 
>>> B.
>>> 
>>> On 13-01-28 01:32 PM, Jeremy Turner wrote:
>>>> On that subject, I wonder if I am following Ray's official page on
>>>> facebook... It seems that I am one of three people that like "Ray's"
>>>> links.. He could be a bot ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:18 PM, "Jim Andrews" <jim at vispo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> As Steve Dipaola pointed out to me on Facebook, Kurzweil's work as a
>>>>> software inventor and business man has been pretty spectacular. He
>>>>> was a leader in three quite advanced areas: optical character
>>>>> recognition; music synthesizers; and speech recognition. In all
>>>>> three cases, he developed successful software and associated
>>>>> businesses and sold them. He has been developing and selling
>>>>> software since his MIT days.
>>>>> 
>>>>> His writings as a futurist/transhumanist etc. and his writings about
>>>>> "the age of spiritual machines" are probably more high-profile than
>>>>> his very solid accomplishments as an inventor and software guy. He's
>>>>> even written a poetry generator. He's a bit wacky on some points; he
>>>>> says he believes it could be possible to live indefinitely into the
>>>>> future. Which makes you wonder if he has a grasp on what makes life
>>>>> worth living. But he's clearly a good choice for Google if they're
>>>>> looking for vision concerning AI and a proven business track record.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway, I guess we're all wondering what he can do at Google about
>>>>> 'the age of spiritual machines'.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ja
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Scott"
>>>>> <jessecolinscott at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:05 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> He is one of the first AI / transhumanists, no ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:01 PM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents
>>>>>>> on here?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is not
>>>>>>> familiar with Ray:
>>>>>>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> B.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>>>>>> Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x
>>>>>>>> newsworthy':
>>>>>>>> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering.
>>>>>>>> See, for
>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>> http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ja
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> x mailing list
>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> x mailing list
>>> x at vispo.com
>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From jim at vispo.com  Tue Jan 29 23:49:56 2013
From: jim at vispo.com (Jim Andrews)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 21:49:56 -0800
Subject: [x] Philippe Pasquier at SFU Surrey Wednesday Jan 30, 2:30pm,
	room 5380
Message-ID: <7D0EF291BD004A05A3C4370F54571781@OwnerPC>

Below is a description by Jacob Freiberg of a talk by Philippe Pasquier 
happening this Wednesday Jan 30 at 2:30pm in room 5380 at SFU Surrey 
(http://www.surrey.sfu.ca/maps_directions ).

ja

Hey all,

This Wednesday in Colloquium we'll be joined by our very own Philippe 
Pasquier; he'll be talking about his work with Computational Creativity.

About the topic:
The ability to invent and use tools is a defining characteristic of human 
beings: from the invention of the wheel to the development of cell phones, 
technology and humans have been co-evolving. In recent years, artificial 
intelligence has been tremendously successful at endowing machines with 
autonomous and proactive behaviors to achieve tasks that normally rely on 
human intelligence. Computational creativity is a new and fast expanding 
field that attempts to simulate human creativity, and to discover creative 
processes that may go beyond human capabilities. This field brings together 
academics, and artists to design systems that are capable of making creative 
decisions. This presentation will introduce and motivate this subfield of 
Artificial Intelligence through the presentation of various projects 
realized at the Metacreation, Agents and Multiagent Systems laboratory 
directed by Prof. Philippe Pasquier.

About the speaker:
After studying computer science, artificial intelligence and cognitive 
sciences in Europe, Canada and Australia, Philippe Pasquier joined Simon 
Fraser University's School of Interactive Arts and Technology (SIAT) in 
January 2008 as an assistant professor. Philippe Pasquier is both a 
scientist specialized in artificial intelligence and a multi-disciplinary 
artist. As an artist, he has served as a member or administrator of several 
artistic collectives (Robonom, Phylm, MIJI), art centers (Avatar, Bus 
Gallery) and artistic organizations (P: Media art, Machines, Vancouver New 
Music) in Europe, Canada and Australia. Philippe's scientific research 
focuses on the development of models and tools for endowing machines with 
autonomous, intelligent or creative behavior. His contributions ranges from 
theoretical research in artificial agent theories to applied artistic 
research in computational creativity and generative art.

His work has been shown internationally and funded and supported by more 
than 20 scientific and or cultural institutions including the Natural 
Sciences and Engineering Research Council (NSERC), the Social Sciences and 
Humanities Research Council (SSHRC) the Canadian Council for the Arts (CCA), 
the French Minist?re de la Culture et de la Communication, the Australian 
Research Council (ARC) and the Australian Council for the Arts (ACA).

Web:
More on Philippe: http://www.sfu.ca/pasquier/
MAMAS laboratory: http://www.metacreation.net
More on SIAT: http://www.siat.sfu.ca/

His exploration of the intersection between technology and art offers all of 
SIAT an exciting opportunity to learn more about this intriguing topic. See 
you this Wednesday at 2:30pm in room 5380.

Thanks,
Jake




From jim at vispo.com  Wed Jan 30 00:04:42 2013
From: jim at vispo.com (Jim Andrews)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:04:42 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
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I think a discussion forum for the Group of X is a good idea. I'm not sure 
this list is the best place for it. People didn't sign up for a discussion 
list when they subscribed to this list--or, more typically, when I 
subscribed them to the list after they'd requested it.

Good discussion forums on computer art and related matters are hard to find 
these days, actually, or so it seems to me. I suppose that's cuz there are 
so many options these days for forums.

One way to go is I can simply set up another list for discussion and those 
who want to subscribe can. Or we can go some sort of Google route, 
alternatively (or additionally), so that video chat, for instance, is an 
option.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

ja

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca>
To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering


> Thanks for the clarification Jim!
>
> I'll leave this thread as is!
>
> Ben
>
> On 13-01-29 11:43 AM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>> Hi Ben,
>>
>> The list is mainly for announcements. About Group of X events. But also
>> related things. Announcements about new work, reviews, shows, grants,
>> and so on. Kurzweil becoming Google Director of Technology is not any of
>> these, of course, but it's a significant event very relevant to computer
>> art.
>>
>> Occassional discussions are OK as long as they're to the point and
>> occassional. I reserve the right to moderate the list.
>>
>> ja
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca>
>> To: <x at vispo.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>
>>
>>> Jeremy,
>>>
>>> Either way Ray *wants* to be a bot. ;)
>>>
>>> I've being working piecemeal on my anti-singularity argument on the IEET
>>> forums, here is one interesting back and forth:
>>>
>>> http://ieet.org/index.php/S=b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde67c1d48cff/IEET/more/cannon20120801
>>>
>>>
>>> I have not been on this list for long, do discussions every happen? (or
>>> just announcements?)
>>>
>>> B.
>>>
>>> On 13-01-28 01:32 PM, Jeremy Turner wrote:
>>>> On that subject, I wonder if I am following Ray's official page on
>>>> facebook... It seems that I am one of three people that like "Ray's"
>>>> links.. He could be a bot ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:18 PM, "Jim Andrews" <jim at vispo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As Steve Dipaola pointed out to me on Facebook, Kurzweil's work as a
>>>>> software inventor and business man has been pretty spectacular. He
>>>>> was a leader in three quite advanced areas: optical character
>>>>> recognition; music synthesizers; and speech recognition. In all
>>>>> three cases, he developed successful software and associated
>>>>> businesses and sold them. He has been developing and selling
>>>>> software since his MIT days.
>>>>>
>>>>> His writings as a futurist/transhumanist etc. and his writings about
>>>>> "the age of spiritual machines" are probably more high-profile than
>>>>> his very solid accomplishments as an inventor and software guy. He's
>>>>> even written a poetry generator. He's a bit wacky on some points; he
>>>>> says he believes it could be possible to live indefinitely into the
>>>>> future. Which makes you wonder if he has a grasp on what makes life
>>>>> worth living. But he's clearly a good choice for Google if they're
>>>>> looking for vision concerning AI and a proven business track record.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I guess we're all wondering what he can do at Google about
>>>>> 'the age of spiritual machines'.
>>>>>
>>>>> ja
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Scott"
>>>>> <jessecolinscott at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:05 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> He is one of the first AI / transhumanists, no ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:01 PM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents
>>>>>>> on here?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is not
>>>>>>> familiar with Ray:
>>>>>>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> B.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>>>>>> Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x
>>>>>>>> newsworthy':
>>>>>>>> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering.
>>>>>>>> See, for
>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>> http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ja
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> x mailing list
>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> x mailing list
>>> x at vispo.com
>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> x mailing list
>> x at vispo.com
>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> x at vispo.com
> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com 




From ideatron at gmail.com  Wed Jan 30 00:09:00 2013
From: ideatron at gmail.com (Jeremy Owen Turner)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:09:00 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
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how about an official facebook group?

>
>
> ja
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca>
> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:51 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>
>
>  Thanks for the clarification Jim!
>>
>> I'll leave this thread as is!
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On 13-01-29 11:43 AM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ben,
>>>
>>> The list is mainly for announcements. About Group of X events. But also
>>> related things. Announcements about new work, reviews, shows, grants,
>>> and so on. Kurzweil becoming Google Director of Technology is not any of
>>> these, of course, but it's a significant event very relevant to computer
>>> art.
>>>
>>> Occassional discussions are OK as long as they're to the point and
>>> occassional. I reserve the right to moderate the list.
>>>
>>> ja
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca>
>>> To: <x at vispo.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>>
>>>
>>>  Jeremy,
>>>>
>>>> Either way Ray *wants* to be a bot. ;)
>>>>
>>>> I've being working piecemeal on my anti-singularity argument on the IEET
>>>> forums, here is one interesting back and forth:
>>>>
>>>> http://ieet.org/index.php/S=**b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde**
>>>> 67c1d48cff/IEET/more/**cannon20120801<http://ieet.org/index.php/S=b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde67c1d48cff/IEET/more/cannon20120801>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have not been on this list for long, do discussions every happen? (or
>>>> just announcements?)
>>>>
>>>> B.
>>>>
>>>> On 13-01-28 01:32 PM, Jeremy Turner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On that subject, I wonder if I am following Ray's official page on
>>>>> facebook... It seems that I am one of three people that like "Ray's"
>>>>> links.. He could be a bot ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:18 PM, "Jim Andrews" <jim at vispo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  As Steve Dipaola pointed out to me on Facebook, Kurzweil's work as a
>>>>>> software inventor and business man has been pretty spectacular. He
>>>>>> was a leader in three quite advanced areas: optical character
>>>>>> recognition; music synthesizers; and speech recognition. In all
>>>>>> three cases, he developed successful software and associated
>>>>>> businesses and sold them. He has been developing and selling
>>>>>> software since his MIT days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His writings as a futurist/transhumanist etc. and his writings about
>>>>>> "the age of spiritual machines" are probably more high-profile than
>>>>>> his very solid accomplishments as an inventor and software guy. He's
>>>>>> even written a poetry generator. He's a bit wacky on some points; he
>>>>>> says he believes it could be possible to live indefinitely into the
>>>>>> future. Which makes you wonder if he has a grasp on what makes life
>>>>>> worth living. But he's clearly a good choice for Google if they're
>>>>>> looking for vision concerning AI and a proven business track record.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, I guess we're all wondering what he can do at Google about
>>>>>> 'the age of spiritual machines'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ja
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Scott"
>>>>>> <jessecolinscott at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:05 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  He is one of the first AI / transhumanists, no ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:01 PM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents
>>>>>>>> on here?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is not
>>>>>>>> familiar with Ray:
>>>>>>>> http://www.imdb.com/title/**tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> B.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x
>>>>>>>>> newsworthy':
>>>>>>>>> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering.
>>>>>>>>> See, for
>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>> http://www.**engineeringontheedge.com/2013/**
>>>>>>>>> 01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-**google<http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ja
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
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>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
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>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>
>>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
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>> x at vispo.com
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>>
>
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From jim at vispo.com  Wed Jan 30 00:31:42 2013
From: jim at vispo.com (Jim Andrews)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:31:42 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
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Discussion on Facebook seems pretty limited, in my admitedly rather 
incomplete experience. Are you (or is anybody else) part of a Facebook group 
in which extended epistolary correspondance regularly occurs? Also, it isn't 
searchable, is it? Old posts disappear, aren't easily referenceable. I could 
have this all wrong, I realize. Sorry, if so.

Does Google offer some sort of umbrella thing whereby you can have a regular 
list and also that's hooked into video chat and whatnot? What's the 
'whatnot'?

ja

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeremy Owen Turner" <ideatron at gmail.com>
To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering


> how about an official facebook group?
>
>>
>>
>> ja
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca>
>> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:51 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>
>>
>>  Thanks for the clarification Jim!
>>>
>>> I'll leave this thread as is!
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On 13-01-29 11:43 AM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ben,
>>>>
>>>> The list is mainly for announcements. About Group of X events. But also
>>>> related things. Announcements about new work, reviews, shows, grants,
>>>> and so on. Kurzweil becoming Google Director of Technology is not any 
>>>> of
>>>> these, of course, but it's a significant event very relevant to 
>>>> computer
>>>> art.
>>>>
>>>> Occassional discussions are OK as long as they're to the point and
>>>> occassional. I reserve the right to moderate the list.
>>>>
>>>> ja
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca>
>>>> To: <x at vispo.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:45 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Jeremy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Either way Ray *wants* to be a bot. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> I've being working piecemeal on my anti-singularity argument on the 
>>>>> IEET
>>>>> forums, here is one interesting back and forth:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://ieet.org/index.php/S=**b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde**
>>>>> 67c1d48cff/IEET/more/**cannon20120801<http://ieet.org/index.php/S=b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde67c1d48cff/IEET/more/cannon20120801>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not been on this list for long, do discussions every happen? 
>>>>> (or
>>>>> just announcements?)
>>>>>
>>>>> B.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13-01-28 01:32 PM, Jeremy Turner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On that subject, I wonder if I am following Ray's official page on
>>>>>> facebook... It seems that I am one of three people that like "Ray's"
>>>>>> links.. He could be a bot ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:18 PM, "Jim Andrews" <jim at vispo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  As Steve Dipaola pointed out to me on Facebook, Kurzweil's work as a
>>>>>>> software inventor and business man has been pretty spectacular. He
>>>>>>> was a leader in three quite advanced areas: optical character
>>>>>>> recognition; music synthesizers; and speech recognition. In all
>>>>>>> three cases, he developed successful software and associated
>>>>>>> businesses and sold them. He has been developing and selling
>>>>>>> software since his MIT days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His writings as a futurist/transhumanist etc. and his writings about
>>>>>>> "the age of spiritual machines" are probably more high-profile than
>>>>>>> his very solid accomplishments as an inventor and software guy. He's
>>>>>>> even written a poetry generator. He's a bit wacky on some points; he
>>>>>>> says he believes it could be possible to live indefinitely into the
>>>>>>> future. Which makes you wonder if he has a grasp on what makes life
>>>>>>> worth living. But he's clearly a good choice for Google if they're
>>>>>>> looking for vision concerning AI and a proven business track record.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, I guess we're all wondering what he can do at Google about
>>>>>>> 'the age of spiritual machines'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ja
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Scott"
>>>>>>> <jessecolinscott at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:05 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  He is one of the first AI / transhumanists, no ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:01 PM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents
>>>>>>>>> on here?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is 
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> familiar with Ray:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.imdb.com/title/**tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> B.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x
>>>>>>>>>> newsworthy':
>>>>>>>>>> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering.
>>>>>>>>>> See, for
>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.**engineeringontheedge.com/2013/**
>>>>>>>>>> 01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-**google<http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ja
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
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>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
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>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>
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From ideatron at gmail.com  Wed Jan 30 01:03:27 2013
From: ideatron at gmail.com (Jeremy Owen Turner)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:03:27 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
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some FB groups are very active and generate enormous hype/publicity for
actual events..that is how Erik gets a lot of participants to his groups :-)

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Jim Andrews <jim at vispo.com> wrote:

> Discussion on Facebook seems pretty limited, in my admitedly rather
> incomplete experience. Are you (or is anybody else) part of a Facebook
> group in which extended epistolary correspondance regularly occurs? Also,
> it isn't searchable, is it? Old posts disappear, aren't easily
> referenceable. I could have this all wrong, I realize. Sorry, if so.
>
> Does Google offer some sort of umbrella thing whereby you can have a
> regular list and also that's hooked into video chat and whatnot? What's the
> 'whatnot'?
>
> ja
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Owen Turner" <
> ideatron at gmail.com>
>
> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:09 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>
>
>  how about an official facebook group?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> ja
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca>
>>> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:51 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>>
>>>
>>>  Thanks for the clarification Jim!
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll leave this thread as is!
>>>>
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>> On 13-01-29 11:43 AM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hi Ben,
>>>>>
>>>>> The list is mainly for announcements. About Group of X events. But also
>>>>> related things. Announcements about new work, reviews, shows, grants,
>>>>> and so on. Kurzweil becoming Google Director of Technology is not any
>>>>> of
>>>>> these, of course, but it's a significant event very relevant to
>>>>> computer
>>>>> art.
>>>>>
>>>>> Occassional discussions are OK as long as they're to the point and
>>>>> occassional. I reserve the right to moderate the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> ja
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca>
>>>>> To: <x at vispo.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:45 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Jeremy,
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Either way Ray *wants* to be a bot. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've being working piecemeal on my anti-singularity argument on the
>>>>>> IEET
>>>>>> forums, here is one interesting back and forth:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://ieet.org/index.php/S=****b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde****<http://ieet.org/index.php/S=**b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde**>
>>>>>> 67c1d48cff/IEET/more/****cannon20120801<http://ieet.**
>>>>>> org/index.php/S=**b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde**
>>>>>> 67c1d48cff/IEET/more/**cannon20120801<http://ieet.org/index.php/S=b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde67c1d48cff/IEET/more/cannon20120801>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have not been on this list for long, do discussions every happen?
>>>>>> (or
>>>>>> just announcements?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13-01-28 01:32 PM, Jeremy Turner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On that subject, I wonder if I am following Ray's official page on
>>>>>>> facebook... It seems that I am one of three people that like "Ray's"
>>>>>>> links.. He could be a bot ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:18 PM, "Jim Andrews" <jim at vispo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  As Steve Dipaola pointed out to me on Facebook, Kurzweil's work as a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> software inventor and business man has been pretty spectacular. He
>>>>>>>> was a leader in three quite advanced areas: optical character
>>>>>>>> recognition; music synthesizers; and speech recognition. In all
>>>>>>>> three cases, he developed successful software and associated
>>>>>>>> businesses and sold them. He has been developing and selling
>>>>>>>> software since his MIT days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> His writings as a futurist/transhumanist etc. and his writings about
>>>>>>>> "the age of spiritual machines" are probably more high-profile than
>>>>>>>> his very solid accomplishments as an inventor and software guy. He's
>>>>>>>> even written a poetry generator. He's a bit wacky on some points; he
>>>>>>>> says he believes it could be possible to live indefinitely into the
>>>>>>>> future. Which makes you wonder if he has a grasp on what makes life
>>>>>>>> worth living. But he's clearly a good choice for Google if they're
>>>>>>>> looking for vision concerning AI and a proven business track record.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, I guess we're all wondering what he can do at Google about
>>>>>>>> 'the age of spiritual machines'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ja
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Scott"
>>>>>>>> <jessecolinscott at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:05 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  He is one of the first AI / transhumanists, no ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:01 PM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> on here?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> familiar with Ray:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.imdb.com/title/****tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1<http://www.imdb.com/title/**tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1>
>>>>>>>>>> <htt**p://www.imdb.com/title/**tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1>
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> B.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x
>>>>>>>>>>> newsworthy':
>>>>>>>>>>> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering.
>>>>>>>>>>> See, for
>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.**engineeringonthee**dge.com/2013/**<http://engineeringontheedge.com/2013/**>
>>>>>>>>>>> 01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-****google<http://www.**
>>>>>>>>>>> engineeringontheedge.com/2013/**01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-**
>>>>>>>>>>> google<http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ja
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________****_________________
>>>>>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  ______________________________****_________________
>>>>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ______________________________****_________________
>>>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ______________________________****_________________
>>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ______________________________****_________________
>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  ______________________________****_________________
>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________****_________________
>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  ______________________________****_________________
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>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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From jim at vispo.com  Wed Jan 30 01:35:22 2013
From: jim at vispo.com (Jim Andrews)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:35:22 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
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Neither my little apartment nor the space we have at SFU Woodwards is large 
enough to be able to publicize Group of X events for any sort of larger 
audience. So, for the moment, a Facebook page seems a bit too public. At 
least until we have a larger space. Having a larger space does not preclude 
Group of X events at my place. It would be nice to be able to offer speakers 
a couple of gigs; a smaller, more intimate one at my place or SFU, and a 
larger one, more public, elsewhere.

Are you familiar with Google+? It seems to offer some nice features. There's 
yer regular sort of list serve. Plus video chat. Plus a calendar.

ja

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeremy Owen Turner" <ideatron at gmail.com>
To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering


> some FB groups are very active and generate enormous hype/publicity for
> actual events..that is how Erik gets a lot of participants to his groups 
> :-)
>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Jim Andrews <jim at vispo.com> wrote:
>
>> Discussion on Facebook seems pretty limited, in my admitedly rather
>> incomplete experience. Are you (or is anybody else) part of a Facebook
>> group in which extended epistolary correspondance regularly occurs? Also,
>> it isn't searchable, is it? Old posts disappear, aren't easily
>> referenceable. I could have this all wrong, I realize. Sorry, if so.
>>
>> Does Google offer some sort of umbrella thing whereby you can have a
>> regular list and also that's hooked into video chat and whatnot? What's 
>> the
>> 'whatnot'?
>>
>> ja
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Owen Turner" <
>> ideatron at gmail.com>
>>
>> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:09 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>
>>
>>  how about an official facebook group?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ja
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca>
>>>> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:51 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks for the clarification Jim!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll leave this thread as is!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13-01-29 11:43 AM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi Ben,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The list is mainly for announcements. About Group of X events. But 
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> related things. Announcements about new work, reviews, shows, grants,
>>>>>> and so on. Kurzweil becoming Google Director of Technology is not any
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> these, of course, but it's a significant event very relevant to
>>>>>> computer
>>>>>> art.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Occassional discussions are OK as long as they're to the point and
>>>>>> occassional. I reserve the right to moderate the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ja
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Bogart" <bbogart at sfu.ca>
>>>>>> To: <x at vispo.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:45 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Jeremy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Either way Ray *wants* to be a bot. ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've being working piecemeal on my anti-singularity argument on the
>>>>>>> IEET
>>>>>>> forums, here is one interesting back and forth:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://ieet.org/index.php/S=****b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde****<http://ieet.org/index.php/S=**b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde**>
>>>>>>> 67c1d48cff/IEET/more/****cannon20120801<http://ieet.**
>>>>>>> org/index.php/S=**b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde**
>>>>>>> 67c1d48cff/IEET/more/**cannon20120801<http://ieet.org/index.php/S=b088321bcb65186863835f0124ebde67c1d48cff/IEET/more/cannon20120801>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have not been on this list for long, do discussions every happen?
>>>>>>> (or
>>>>>>> just announcements?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> B.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13-01-28 01:32 PM, Jeremy Turner wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On that subject, I wonder if I am following Ray's official page on
>>>>>>>> facebook... It seems that I am one of three people that like 
>>>>>>>> "Ray's"
>>>>>>>> links.. He could be a bot ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:18 PM, "Jim Andrews" <jim at vispo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  As Steve Dipaola pointed out to me on Facebook, Kurzweil's work as 
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> software inventor and business man has been pretty spectacular. He
>>>>>>>>> was a leader in three quite advanced areas: optical character
>>>>>>>>> recognition; music synthesizers; and speech recognition. In all
>>>>>>>>> three cases, he developed successful software and associated
>>>>>>>>> businesses and sold them. He has been developing and selling
>>>>>>>>> software since his MIT days.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> His writings as a futurist/transhumanist etc. and his writings 
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> "the age of spiritual machines" are probably more high-profile 
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> his very solid accomplishments as an inventor and software guy. 
>>>>>>>>> He's
>>>>>>>>> even written a poetry generator. He's a bit wacky on some points; 
>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>> says he believes it could be possible to live indefinitely into 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> future. Which makes you wonder if he has a grasp on what makes 
>>>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>>> worth living. But he's clearly a good choice for Google if they're
>>>>>>>>> looking for vision concerning AI and a proven business track 
>>>>>>>>> record.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I guess we're all wondering what he can do at Google about
>>>>>>>>> 'the age of spiritual machines'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ja
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Scott"
>>>>>>>>> <jessecolinscott at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:05 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  He is one of the first AI / transhumanists, no ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2013-01-28, at 12:01 PM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Indeed, odd! I'm curious if there are any singularity proponents
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> on here?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I recommend the documentary "Transcendent Man" for anyone who is
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with Ray:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.imdb.com/title/****tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1<http://www.imdb.com/title/**tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1>
>>>>>>>>>>> <htt**p://www.imdb.com/title/**tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> B.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13-01-26 11:54 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Not quite sure what to make of it, but surely 'group of x
>>>>>>>>>>>> newsworthy':
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ray Kurzweil has been appointed Google Director of Engineering.
>>>>>>>>>>>> See, for
>>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.**engineeringonthee**dge.com/2013/**<http://engineeringontheedge.com/2013/**>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-****google<http://www.**
>>>>>>>>>>>> engineeringontheedge.com/2013/**01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-**
>>>>>>>>>>>> google<http://www.engineeringontheedge.com/2013/01/kurzweil-focuses-on-ai-at-google>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ja
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________****_________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  ______________________________****_________________
>>>>>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________****_________________
>>>>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ______________________________****_________________
>>>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ______________________________****_________________
>>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  ______________________________****_________________
>>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ______________________________****_________________
>>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  ______________________________****_________________
>>>>> x mailing list
>>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________****_________________
>>>> x mailing list
>>>> x at vispo.com
>>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/****listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>> <http://**vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_**vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
>> --------------------
>>
>>
>>
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>>> x mailing list
>>> x at vispo.com
>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
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From bbogart at sfu.ca  Wed Jan 30 10:53:43 2013
From: bbogart at sfu.ca (B. Bogart)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:53:43 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
In-Reply-To: <867ABCAD547340F7AB6F6D1EFDA4142E@OwnerPC>
References: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC><5106D926.7010709@sfu.ca><BBFFC072-8B80-421D-ABB8-61284FFC6408@gmail.com><EB864367B4334A22B9A87AAB3B1E1A84@OwnerPC><9C4BB765-259E-4F8C-94CB-FC1B60CE9F5D@gmail.com><5107FCA4.9000003@sfu.ca><F2C7CCBFDE1E4F709F90B83D41C91F2A@OwnerPC><5108445A.3070109@sfu.ca><042AB5E2E6B743AB8A02541966B31CCF@OwnerPC><CAK6WANbFTcK=iJzdc03cmLgWsZ-bMNVoV=51t3qH7EgfUOfCYg@mail.gmail.com><7FD1D0E2E9D94798BD035F4C17136015@OwnerPC>
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	<867ABCAD547340F7AB6F6D1EFDA4142E@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <51095017.6010609@sfu.ca>

While I am weary of google's unprecedented access to so much personal
information, G+ is the only social network I participate in I just
provide very little machine readable personal information, leaving
google to attempt to make sense of my posts. I would not touch FB.

There is a portland electronic art group with 7 people in it (me
included), so a vancouver electronic art group would likely not get out
of hand. I'm also in an AI group with ~9000 members.

So I'd be happy to see a presence on G+, but all social networks are
embedded in issues around privacy and marketing / tracking.

I think old-school mailing-list discussions are also useful and perhaps
not all that different when it comes to asynchronous discussion.

Ben

On 13-01-29 11:35 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
> Are you familiar with Google+? It seems to offer some nice features.
> There's yer regular sort of list serve. Plus video chat. Plus a calendar.



From noiseart at gmail.com  Wed Jan 30 14:20:32 2013
From: noiseart at gmail.com (Peter Courtemanche)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:20:32 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
In-Reply-To: <51095017.6010609@sfu.ca>
References: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC>
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Message-ID: <CA+OKGPaDkqxPoqij_vKRwE5A7V1cxibfzuBYASOfjC4LBqxO5A@mail.gmail.com>

You could also try using a forum, such as http://www.proboards.com/
(they are free to use but have banner ads) or some other free forum
service. That way you can properly moderate and archive threads.

Google likes to change their system every few months which is a total
pain. They are continuously migrating one service to another and
deleting old files, etc. I wouldn't recommend using their services at
all. It is very amateurish and in a constant "alpha" state IMHO.

bests
peter

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:53 AM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
> While I am weary of google's unprecedented access to so much personal
> information, G+ is the only social network I participate in I just
> provide very little machine readable personal information, leaving
> google to attempt to make sense of my posts. I would not touch FB.
>
> There is a portland electronic art group with 7 people in it (me
> included), so a vancouver electronic art group would likely not get out
> of hand. I'm also in an AI group with ~9000 members.
>
> So I'd be happy to see a presence on G+, but all social networks are
> embedded in issues around privacy and marketing / tracking.
>
> I think old-school mailing-list discussions are also useful and perhaps
> not all that different when it comes to asynchronous discussion.
>
> Ben
>
> On 13-01-29 11:35 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>> Are you familiar with Google+? It seems to offer some nice features.
>> There's yer regular sort of list serve. Plus video chat. Plus a calendar.
>
> _______________________________________________
> x mailing list
> x at vispo.com
> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com



-- 
http://absolutevalueofnoise.ca
http://www.secondsitecollective.net



From jim at vispo.com  Wed Jan 30 16:12:10 2013
From: jim at vispo.com (Jim Andrews)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:12:10 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
In-Reply-To: <CA+OKGPaDkqxPoqij_vKRwE5A7V1cxibfzuBYASOfjC4LBqxO5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC><5106D926.7010709@sfu.ca><BBFFC072-8B80-421D-ABB8-61284FFC6408@gmail.com><EB864367B4334A22B9A87AAB3B1E1A84@OwnerPC><9C4BB765-259E-4F8C-94CB-FC1B60CE9F5D@gmail.com><5107FCA4.9000003@sfu.ca><F2C7CCBFDE1E4F709F90B83D41C91F2A@OwnerPC><5108445A.3070109@sfu.ca><042AB5E2E6B743AB8A02541966B31CCF@OwnerPC><CAK6WANbFTcK=iJzdc03cmLgWsZ-bMNVoV=51t3qH7EgfUOfCYg@mail.gmail.com><7FD1D0E2E9D94798BD035F4C17136015@OwnerPC><CAK6WANZN7zmr8B6uBJExY2c4dER0HB39dnaYFESgrgxmuNtnRw@mail.gmail.com><867ABCAD547340F7AB6F6D1EFDA4142E@OwnerPC><51095017.6010609@sfu.ca>
	<CA+OKGPaDkqxPoqij_vKRwE5A7V1cxibfzuBYASOfjC4LBqxO5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EDD0839ADCEB42D2BBB1F8D16514DB33@OwnerPC>

I had a look at http://www.proboards.com , Peter. It looks good. But I've 
decided to go with G+. Here's why.

Google Groups is a widely used platform for list-based discussion. It's been 
around for a while and seems reliable. But, additionally, G+ offers several 
other features. The multi-person (more than 2 people) video chat looks like 
it could be useful for x hookups with people in remote locations. Perhaps 
good to get into that. It offers a calendar also. And then there's Google 
Drive. Is that part of G+? Probably soon to be if not now. G+ is 
interesting. It's on the edge of such stuff: online communication systems. 
Kind of interesting to see what's going on with that.

Anyway, I'll set it up over the next few days and then I'll send a message 
to this list with subscription details. Thanks for the input, all.

ja

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Courtemanche" <noiseart at gmail.com>
To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering


> You could also try using a forum, such as http://www.proboards.com/
> (they are free to use but have banner ads) or some other free forum
> service. That way you can properly moderate and archive threads.
>
> Google likes to change their system every few months which is a total
> pain. They are continuously migrating one service to another and
> deleting old files, etc. I wouldn't recommend using their services at
> all. It is very amateurish and in a constant "alpha" state IMHO.
>
> bests
> peter
>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:53 AM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
>> While I am weary of google's unprecedented access to so much personal
>> information, G+ is the only social network I participate in I just
>> provide very little machine readable personal information, leaving
>> google to attempt to make sense of my posts. I would not touch FB.
>>
>> There is a portland electronic art group with 7 people in it (me
>> included), so a vancouver electronic art group would likely not get out
>> of hand. I'm also in an AI group with ~9000 members.
>>
>> So I'd be happy to see a presence on G+, but all social networks are
>> embedded in issues around privacy and marketing / tracking.
>>
>> I think old-school mailing-list discussions are also useful and perhaps
>> not all that different when it comes to asynchronous discussion.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On 13-01-29 11:35 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>> Are you familiar with Google+? It seems to offer some nice features.
>>> There's yer regular sort of list serve. Plus video chat. Plus a 
>>> calendar.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> x mailing list
>> x at vispo.com
>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>
>
>
> -- 
> http://absolutevalueofnoise.ca
> http://www.secondsitecollective.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> x mailing list
> x at vispo.com
> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com 




From ideatron at gmail.com  Wed Jan 30 16:20:18 2013
From: ideatron at gmail.com (Jeremy Turner)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:20:18 -0800
Subject: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
In-Reply-To: <EDD0839ADCEB42D2BBB1F8D16514DB33@OwnerPC>
References: <0E0F25F91F5B4D98ACB5CB1F46517932@OwnerPC>
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	<EB864367B4334A22B9A87AAB3B1E1A84@OwnerPC>
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	<5107FCA4.9000003@sfu.ca>
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	<7FD1D0E2E9D94798BD035F4C17136015@OwnerPC>
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Message-ID: <9010B4A9-EE13-43A0-BA19-3B78628B2EC7@gmail.com>

I am on G+... See you there :-)

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-01-30, at 2:12 PM, "Jim Andrews" <jim at vispo.com> wrote:

> I had a look at http://www.proboards.com , Peter. It looks good. But I've decided to go with G+. Here's why.
> 
> Google Groups is a widely used platform for list-based discussion. It's been around for a while and seems reliable. But, additionally, G+ offers several other features. The multi-person (more than 2 people) video chat looks like it could be useful for x hookups with people in remote locations. Perhaps good to get into that. It offers a calendar also. And then there's Google Drive. Is that part of G+? Probably soon to be if not now. G+ is interesting. It's on the edge of such stuff: online communication systems. Kind of interesting to see what's going on with that.
> 
> Anyway, I'll set it up over the next few days and then I'll send a message to this list with subscription details. Thanks for the input, all.
> 
> ja
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Courtemanche" <noiseart at gmail.com>
> To: "Computer Art Vancouver" <x at vispo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [x] Kurzweil is Google Director of Engineering
> 
> 
>> You could also try using a forum, such as http://www.proboards.com/
>> (they are free to use but have banner ads) or some other free forum
>> service. That way you can properly moderate and archive threads.
>> 
>> Google likes to change their system every few months which is a total
>> pain. They are continuously migrating one service to another and
>> deleting old files, etc. I wouldn't recommend using their services at
>> all. It is very amateurish and in a constant "alpha" state IMHO.
>> 
>> bests
>> peter
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:53 AM, B. Bogart <bbogart at sfu.ca> wrote:
>>> While I am weary of google's unprecedented access to so much personal
>>> information, G+ is the only social network I participate in I just
>>> provide very little machine readable personal information, leaving
>>> google to attempt to make sense of my posts. I would not touch FB.
>>> 
>>> There is a portland electronic art group with 7 people in it (me
>>> included), so a vancouver electronic art group would likely not get out
>>> of hand. I'm also in an AI group with ~9000 members.
>>> 
>>> So I'd be happy to see a presence on G+, but all social networks are
>>> embedded in issues around privacy and marketing / tracking.
>>> 
>>> I think old-school mailing-list discussions are also useful and perhaps
>>> not all that different when it comes to asynchronous discussion.
>>> 
>>> Ben
>>> 
>>> On 13-01-29 11:35 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>>> Are you familiar with Google+? It seems to offer some nice features.
>>>> There's yer regular sort of list serve. Plus video chat. Plus a calendar.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> x mailing list
>>> x at vispo.com
>>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> http://absolutevalueofnoise.ca
>> http://www.secondsitecollective.net
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> x mailing list
>> x at vispo.com
>> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> x mailing list
> x at vispo.com
> http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com



From jim at vispo.com  Thu Jan 31 01:57:48 2013
From: jim at vispo.com (Jim Andrews)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 23:57:48 -0800
Subject: [x] Steve DiPaola ++ at Emily Carr: Two Eyes,
	a Mouth and a Nose: The Face in Representation
Message-ID: <CD6BC6ABF6FC49508D63E35B5505CA96@OwnerPC>

Below is a notice about a series of lectures at Emily Carr on Granville 
Island in Room 301 of the south building (library building) on "The Face in 
Representation". I note that Steve is in that series on Feb 14.

ja

*********************************

AHIS 333 Interdisciplinary Forums Speaker series
Two Eyes, a Mouth and a Nose: The Face in Representation
Thursdays at 3:50 pm in the lecture theatre (Room 301 SB)

Everyone Welcome!

Humans are hard-wired to see faces-art historian E.H. Gombrich calls them a 
"preferred pattern." This series investigates the significance of 
representations of the human face within contemporary visual culture. Our 
age-old fascination with the face and its meaning will be explored through a 
range of interdisciplinary frameworks, including philosophical discourse, 
popular media, scientific research and cultural production.

Jan 31 - Fixing/Unfixing
Fiona Bowie, artist, Assistant Professor in Integrated Media, ECU

Feb 7 - How We Do and Do Not Recognize Faces
Jamal Mansour, Assistant Professor, Department of Psychology, SFU

Feb 14 - Face, Portrait, Mask: The Virtual Face as a Science/Art Medium
Steve DiPaola, Director, Cognitive Science program, SFU; School of 
Interactive Arts and Technology

Feb 28 - Cognition + Recognition
Justin Novak, artist/designer, Associate Professor of Visual Art and 
Material Practice, ECU

Mar 7 - The Face + Trauma
Dr. Nancy Van Laeken, Plastic Surgeon

Mar 14 - The Face + Horror
Film Screening: Eyes Without a Face, dir. Georges Franju, 1959

Mar 21 - Drawing Around Portraits
Lucie Chan, artist, Assistant Professor of Visual Art and Material Practice, 
ECU


For more information please contact:
Elizabeth MacKenzie: emacken at ecuad.ca?
sessional faculty, critical + cultural studies= 




From judyc101 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 31 02:38:37 2013
From: judyc101 at gmail.com (judy jheung)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:38:37 -0800
Subject: [x] Steve DiPaola ++ at Emily Carr: Two Eyes,
 a Mouth and a Nose: The Face in Representation
In-Reply-To: <CD6BC6ABF6FC49508D63E35B5505CA96@OwnerPC>
References: <CD6BC6ABF6FC49508D63E35B5505CA96@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CAPmg529DbhdOjmn3mL5_CJh11CLmkNS89ZHmH6EUUA_994xJ4g@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,
thanks for this!  I am curious about the lecture on  Mar 7, Face Trauma,
sounds interesting. And  the one on Feb 7, how do we Recognize Faces.  I
can just tell the lecturer that i have photographic memory.  i can remember
most  faces, images and film i've come across.  I dont know if i want to
know "why" and "how".  It might take away the magic. J


On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Jim Andrews <jim at vispo.com> wrote:

> Below is a notice about a series of lectures at Emily Carr on Granville
> Island in Room 301 of the south building (library building) on "The Face in
> Representation". I note that Steve is in that series on Feb 14.
>
> ja
>
> ***********************************
>
> AHIS 333 Interdisciplinary Forums Speaker series
> Two Eyes, a Mouth and a Nose: The Face in Representation
> Thursdays at 3:50 pm in the lecture theatre (Room 301 SB)
>
> Everyone Welcome!
>
> Humans are hard-wired to see faces-art historian E.H. Gombrich calls them
> a "preferred pattern." This series investigates the significance of
> representations of the human face within contemporary visual culture. Our
> age-old fascination with the face and its meaning will be explored through
> a range of interdisciplinary frameworks, including philosophical discourse,
> popular media, scientific research and cultural production.
>
> Jan 31 - Fixing/Unfixing
> Fiona Bowie, artist, Assistant Professor in Integrated Media, ECU
>
> Feb 7 - How We Do and Do Not Recognize Faces
> Jamal Mansour, Assistant Professor, Department of Psychology, SFU
>
> Feb 14 - Face, Portrait, Mask: The Virtual Face as a Science/Art Medium
> Steve DiPaola, Director, Cognitive Science program, SFU; School of
> Interactive Arts and Technology
>
> Feb 28 - Cognition + Recognition
> Justin Novak, artist/designer, Associate Professor of Visual Art and
> Material Practice, ECU
>
> Mar 7 - The Face + Trauma
> Dr. Nancy Van Laeken, Plastic Surgeon
>
> Mar 14 - The Face + Horror
> Film Screening: Eyes Without a Face, dir. Georges Franju, 1959
>
> Mar 21 - Drawing Around Portraits
> Lucie Chan, artist, Assistant Professor of Visual Art and Material
> Practice, ECU
>
>
> For more information please contact:
> Elizabeth MacKenzie: emacken at ecuad.ca?
> sessional faculty, critical + cultural studies=
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> x mailing list
> x at vispo.com
> http://vispo.com/mailman/**listinfo/x_vispo.com<http://vispo.com/mailman/listinfo/x_vispo.com>
>
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