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Session Start: Sun Jan 16 12:00:00 2000
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***Now talking in #defib |
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***Topic is 'Reiner Strasser, Sun.
Jan 16, 12pm PST (20:00 GMT)' |
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<Surd> |
Reiner, what are you doing in your work now?
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<reiner> |
hmmm .... there is one collab with some artists
- e.g. annie and david :) |
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<reiner> |
called current |
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<Surd> |
How's that going? |
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<reiner> |
and another one ..... maybe for bristol
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<reiner> |
you can ask annie, david or (hello) ted too
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<reiner> |
:) it is in the first or second stage
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<Surd> |
OK... Annie, David, Ted... |
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<reiner> |
current is a themed work .... we have
collected ideas and parts |
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<reiner> |
until now ..... but ..... we have time
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<David> |
reiner, is current part of a group of
'water" themed works that you've planned? |
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<reiner> |
no .... :) |
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<reiner> |
does it look like this |
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<Surd> |
current => now, electricity, stream...
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<billseye> |
and not a drop to link... |
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<reiner> |
current_ly |
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<anniea> |
current can go every where_lie |
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<David> |
find its own level... |
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<reiner> |
....... experience of collab :) |
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<Surd> |
You're doing a lot of collaborative work
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<reiner> |
do you think in such a way |
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<reiner> |
well i have done some in the last year
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<reiner> |
and some the years before |
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<Surd> |
Is that as central to you as it is, say, to
Miekal? |
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<reiner> |
but inbetween i have to create some own :)
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<reiner> |
it is in some kind part of the 're:' philosophy
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<Surd> |
Howso? |
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<reiner> |
'you are defined - or define yourself thru communication'
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<billseye> |
reiner, interesting response to your/christy's
work on poetics -- a frustrated user review |
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<billseye> |
did you read it? |
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<tom> |
i missed the early part. is 'current' on line?
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<reiner> |
no - i do not know it |
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<reiner> |
no current is secret :) |
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<David> |
the review on poetics focused on machine problems,
slow links and so on |
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<reiner> |
well that is always a problem |
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<billseye> |
user obsessed on intuitive leaps from "single"
to "double-clicks" -- go to the archive -- it's funny, really
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<Surd> |
Interesting line 'you are defined - or define
yourself thru communications'. Writing has become more interactive
in such a way. |
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<reiner> |
i think of it in a more general way |
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<Surd> |
You mean not just as applied to writing?
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<reiner> |
being alone will be the opposite |
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<komninos> |
i wish i could think of an intelligent question
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<Surd> |
The opposite of what? |
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<komninos> |
how's the family? |
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<reiner> |
yes - i think without communication we would
not exist |
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<reiner> |
:) the family is fine |
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<cinader> |
like the tree that didn't fall in the forest?
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<Surd> |
Right. No critter's an island. |
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<komninos> |
true what's the use of talking to yourself?
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<David> |
by opposite, do you mean that collaboration
will become the norm? |
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<Deena> |
How do you see reader/writer collaboration?
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<reiner> |
-david -- no i do not think in such a way
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<billseye> |
collaboration is the norm, with interruptions
of occasional individual efforts |
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<billseye> |
well, sort of |
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<Deena> |
How does collaboration differ from communication?
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<tom> |
I seem to be doing more and more writer/things
read collaborations |
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<reiner> |
i think it is important for every creative artist
to do sometimes his own .... |
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<reiner> |
.. but everything you do on the influence of
others .... i think it is important |
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<reiner> |
to remember this |
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<tom> |
right |
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<reiner> |
collab - comm |
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<echo> |
collab=recognition |
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<reiner> |
comm is the exchange of 'information'
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<David> |
collaboration always involves communication,
but not the other way around. |
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<reiner> |
coll = the creation in common |
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<PbN> |
Deena, good Q -- seems to be missed -- could
you elaborate ' reader/writer collab ' ? |
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<reiner> |
i - by the hell |
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<reiner> |
:) |
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<Deena> |
Well, I came in a bit late, but it seems as
though the collaboration is between writers to create a piece, and
readers who must interpret the piece. THis has always been the case,
but reiner's and others' writings seem to ask readers to piece together
so |
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<Deena> |
so much more. |
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<billseye> |
reader assembly required... |
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<Deena> |
so, the creation in communication is on everyone's
part |
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<reiner> |
but there is still a difference - or ?
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<reiner> |
if i walk in the forest |
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<reiner> |
looking at nature |
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<reiner> |
i can think about |
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<reiner> |
am i creature of the nature |
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<reiner> |
..... i remember a similar idea |
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<reiner> |
the things are created by my thoughts
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<reiner> |
but i do not think in such a way .....
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<komninos> |
everything is virtual until we communicate
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<reiner> |
that is right :) |
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