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<reiner> |
are very technical |
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<reiner> |
e.g. online offline cad/cam |
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<reiner> |
or web cams |
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<reiner> |
would everyone be interested in the pictures
of a web cam |
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<Deena> |
We think about how the work will be presented.
This then becomes an integral part of the work. |
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<reiner> |
if it wouldn't be on the web :) |
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<reiner> |
yes presentation - publication is .......
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<PbN> |
The medium really is the message |
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<Surd> |
We may be coming round to the beginning, Reiner.
You mentioned when we started about communication, the importance
of that, the change that brings to writing. |
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<komninos> |
d that's right now that thinking allows use
of this medium for creation, exhibition, distribution, why think
in a more limiting medium? |
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<Surd> |
That web/net influence may be present in works
that could be presented off the Web. |
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<reiner> |
i think there are at least two important aspects
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<reiner> |
re:thinking communication |
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<reiner> |
(also in real space) |
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<reiner> |
and the influence of hypermedia |
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<reiner> |
to general ways of thinking |
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<anniea> |
and living |
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<anniea> |
bye have to leave |
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<anniea> |
thanks all |
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<Surd> |
Thanks, Annie. |
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<PbN> |
bye annie |
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<reiner> |
(my kind of thinking has changed since i am
on the web or working on it) |
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<Deena> |
(P, speaking of the medium is the message, we
will be doing the HT00 workshop in May --this time it is the message
morphs the media |
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<reiner> |
ciao annie |
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<PbN> |
Deena -- nice twist :) |
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<Surd> |
Yes, me too, Reiner. More multi media but also
doing a lot of writing that is participatory or interactive, dialectical
like this and email on webartery. |
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<Deena> |
(P--this is the fourth one. THe first one was
the media morphs the message :) |
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<PbN> |
Re, yes -- re-thinking comm and much else here...
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<Surd> |
Developing dialectical poetics of web art...
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<eric> |
how about 'weak blood', reiner? couldn't have
been developed *off* the web. but it has been presented offline.
any difference |
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<eric> |
between the two frames? |
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<Surd> |
Good question, Eric. |
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<reiner> |
yes - weakblood- was a net action |
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<reiner> |
presented offline too |
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<reiner> |
but it got much more viewers online |
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<reiner> |
maybe a kind of art-media |
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<Deena> |
And the interaction required e-mail, online
collaboration |
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<reiner> |
yes both of this |
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<eric> |
and it generated commitment |
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<David> |
and afterward we were all readers, rather than
writer readers |
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<Surd> |
Is the email part of the project? |
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<reiner> |
part of the project ? yes ..... but not published
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<Deena> |
I was thinking more about the logistics--you
couldn't reach all those people without e-mail |
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<Surd> |
Right. |
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<reiner> |
i think the beginning was significant
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<Surd> |
D: right, the frame of the Web is crucial to
weak blood. |
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<reiner> |
one page by me --- responses by e.g. MIEKAL
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<eric> |
even (or especially) for those of us who only
'read' |
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<David> |
How was weak blood presented in museums? On
a monitor as a loop? |
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<reiner> |
and so on - the wr-eye-tings group has become
the ground-group of the whole project |
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<reiner> |
weak blood was presented on a monitor + a projector
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<David> |
was it hooked up live to the URL? |
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<reiner> |
they made videos - i had no chance to look at
until now |
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<Surd> |
So it may be that you are right, Komninos, in
saying that what will be judged important work will rely on the
Web, but in a wide sense, not necessarily a literal sense.
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<reiner> |
it is on mo ....... got it last week
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<Surd> |
But who knows?... |
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<eric> |
i wouldn't say that weak blood will be judged
unimportant off the web... |
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<PbN> |
only your hairdresser, J |
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<reiner> |
d- no it wasn't (the japanese are not very high
tech :)) |
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<Deena> |
And it is still on the web. |
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<Surd> |
My hairdresser died many years ago, Ted... 8-)
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<David> |
The japanese are not very high tech!?
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<reiner> |
:) seems to be .... :) |
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<reiner> |
but it maybe because of the language barrier
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<Surd> |
Are we winding down here? |
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<reiner> |
does anyone have strong contacts to japan
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<Surd> |
Not I. |
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<reiner> |
i think it is like here |
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<David> |
Was it odd to see it on video, knowing that
it was |
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<reiner> |
the museums not all have internet sites
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<Deena> |
Yes, I worked there. but no electronic ties
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<reiner> |
or use it heavily |
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<David> |
disconnected from the web? Sort of a representation
of the real thing. |
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<PbN> |
Ok, gotta burn on outta here -- been a slice
hanging with you all -- Re: C U in the cyberstream -- All best!
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<Surd> |
Thanks, Ted. |
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<Surd> |
Ciaou. |
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<reiner> |
all best ted |
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<reiner> |
d- i havn't seen it until now ..... |
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<Deena> |
I gotta scoot too. This was great Reiner. Thanks!
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<reiner> |
but we have to remember that video art is just
acepted as art :) |
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<reiner> |
thanks deena |
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<reiner> |
su |
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<Surd> |
Well, thank you Reiner, it's been a blast.
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<komninos> |
seeyalater, alligator, komninos, great chatting,
this is better than email! |
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<Surd> |
Thanks Komninos! |
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<Surd> |
Thanks all, twas terrific. |
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<reiner> |
thank you - jim - chat is really better than
e-mail - see u again |
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<David> |
Good work, Reiner. Thanks, Jim. See you next
time. |
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<mIEKAL> |
yea, good to check in with everyone, sorry to
be late. |
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<Surd> |
Here we go... |
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<eric> |
same for me... |
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<mIEKAL> |
I should b going too... |
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