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<jley> |
tell please? I'm curious none the less
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<David> |
yes, a simple list would be fine |
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<komninos> |
aside: it's great watching conversation happening
as a visual experience (i don't chat very often) |
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<cinader> |
how do you balance your web art activities with
survival activities? Reiner. Are they related? |
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<reiner> |
writers i like - Boris Vian, Exupery, R.
Queneau |
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<Deena> |
Survival activities. I like that :) |
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<billseye> |
reiner, love your work, want to hang out but
can't -- previous engagement -- bye all |
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<cinader> |
sorry to ask such a practical question
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<jley> |
bye bill :) |
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<echo> |
its been inspirational, but i need to log off,
reiner, hats off!.see ya all.....beth is outta here. |
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<reiner> |
painters Klee, Hockney, Rivers ....... much
more |
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<anniea> |
I am asthonised by you mentioning klee reiner,
representation seems important in your work |
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<stev> |
hallo |
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<Deena> |
Cinader , I think it an important question.
We have to integrate the art with our lives. |
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<reiner> |
yes ---- web art - surv ..... |
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<reiner> |
it is hard to get i think |
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<reiner> |
work + private sphere + web |
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<reiner> |
the web can eat you very fast :) |
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<David> |
annie, I'd have been more surprised if reiner
had mentioned Mondrian |
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<David> |
also an artist who compartmentalizes
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<cinader> |
all is one but who actually needs it? It's not
so much eating fast but consuming everything! |
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<Deena> |
There is just so much information, so many thngs
to look at. How do you balance the "web life" with "writing" and
"living" |
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<jley> |
mmm 'time management seminars needed for artsy
web types'?? |
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<Surd> |
haha |
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<David> |
jeez, Jim, don't laugh |
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<reiner> |
balance - hard questions here - i try to do
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<reiner> |
if i had a recipe i would tell it |
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<Surd> |
Prior to the Web, I always thought about poetics,
you know, relating life and art. Still do. |
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<Deena> |
Jennifer, more than time management. Thought
management. :) |
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<jley> |
ah yes Deena ... right side left side brain
utilization too |
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<reiner> |
management is important but not the key
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<mandola> |
and I've got to fold the kid's clothes -- thanks
reiner, everyone |
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<reiner> |
i think |
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<Surd> |
Welcome to the list, Michael. |
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<reiner> |
ciao m. |
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<reiner> |
what is more difficult for me is |
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<reiner> |
to be able to free myself from the web work
inbetween |
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<komninos> |
after many emails and fixes welcome m
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<reiner> |
and vice versa |
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<reiner> |
from work |
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<jley> |
ie. ... art comes from life so one needs a life
?? |
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<reiner> |
yes ... sometimes i think it would be better
only to live |
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<reiner> |
but i need to be creative too |
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<Surd> |
Discussion on the poetics list now about antiorp
and his 'become the machine' message. There is an ineluctably Frankensteinish
element to what we do. |
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<cinader> |
or your left with a virtual life on a disk somewhere
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<Deena> |
Yes, I think so. |
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*jley is seeing an emerging netizen
debunking of the virtual ... it's intriguing |
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<cinader> |
gotta go...baby woke up...thank you reiner
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<komninos> |
what do comments in red mean? |
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<reiner> |
ciao ..... ws nice to ... |
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<Surd> |
Any artist fully engaged in the medium they
work in will take up, take in the media/um in startling ways...
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<Surd> |
but still the question of balance is appropriate.
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<David> |
but there are such a wide range of results:
antiorp's vs reiner's, fr instance |
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<Surd> |
Good point. |
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<jley> |
speaking of real life ... it calls ... great
to see you all ... Deena ... looking forward to face time ! whoo
hoo |
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<komninos> |
perhaps the medium is taking up the artists?
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<David> |
how do you mean, komninos? |
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<reiner> |
yes it is much more easy to paint :)
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<Surd> |
Yes, it is different from the way that you take
up painting or the pen... or the way it takes you up. |
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<Surd> |
The whole notion of the machine |
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<reiner> |
yes it maybe this 'virtual' state |
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<Surd> |
but also collaboration such as this and other
collaboration... communication. |
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<reiner> |
you can fall in totally in your own work
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<komninos> |
well the medium is there and will be in the
future, it is inevitable that we get involved |
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<komninos> |
we make a big deal about it now but |
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<reiner> |
therefore to find balance will be worthwhile
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<komninos> |
in the future it will be transparent
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<mIEKAL> |
what will be transparent, the interface?
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<reiner> |
i think it will be less transparent for the
user |
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<reiner> |
in the future |
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<reiner> |
completely involved in 'cyberspace' |
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<Deena> |
Or thoughts about the interface? Just as we
don't see discussions about how the book works, perhaps we won't
see discussins about how ht interfaces wortk? |
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<komninos> |
now a cd-rom you pick up has cd-rom or interactive
multimedia written on it a hundred times, a book doesn't have book
written on it |
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<reiner> |
media strategy |
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<Surd> |
I feel that an important part of art is in examining
the unexamined 'transparencies'. |
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<Deena> |
especially now. Books all act alike, but each
ht is very different in conception and execution |
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<mIEKAL> |
everyone can pick up a book & read |
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<Surd> |
But I think you are right, Komninos, that part
of the process of media becoming part of ourselves involves a transparency
coming into being. |
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<mIEKAL> |
but even if you have a computer you might not
have the right set up to view a hypertext. |
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<komninos> |
in the future you will m |
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<eric> |
same thing holds for *some* books, miekal
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<reiner> |
sorry have to leave for a moment will be back
soon - the body :) |
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<mIEKAL> |
I like to turn yr sentence around jim, & have
ourselves become part of the media |
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<Surd> |
Yes, that too. |
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<David> |
right, works both ways, back and forth
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<mIEKAL> |
prosthesis |
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<Surd> |
ya |
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<komninos> |
i'm thinking of getting a projector and projecting
my computer, tv, video recorder, nintendo64/games to it and having
it on 24 hours of the day |
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<Deena> |
also, the technology is changing every six months.
we've had the book as it stands now for over 300 years. |
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<Deena> |
why? |
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<komninos> |
so the media is constantly there, new emails
come up when they come in, i choose to involve myself in it when
i choose |
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<David> |
and we can still read the old books. Not so
with much early computer work |
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<mIEKAL> |
deena the tech seems to change everyday, it
just takes us 6 months to catch up to each innovation |
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<PbN> |
m - disagree |
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<Surd> |
Well there's buttons to learn and then there's
imaginative acclimatization. |
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<David> |
explain, ted |
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<eric> |
well, "we" have had access to the technology
from day one. not so with books. |
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<mIEKAL> |
can you imagine the hassles involved in a historical
museum of computer art? ....all the different softwares & interfaces
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<PbN> |
much is made of hi-speed tech inovations, but
really -- what is new? |
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<PbN> |
new version? |
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<PbN> |
same programmingh |
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<mIEKAL> |
Im speaking about access.. |
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<Surd> |
Imaginative acclimatization is not so much about
buttons to learn as other things. |
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<mIEKAL> |
I cant access g2 real audio because I need a
more powerful computer |
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<Deena> |
A lot is new. HTML has different limits and
access than SToryspace, or Hypercard. |
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<Deena> |
Even Reiner's mouseovers are only possible on
the web. Or in flash or in... |
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<PbN> |
not true, d |
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<Deena> |
Each software has unique possibilities for expression
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<Surd> |
Right, I'm not saying that these things aren't
new. |
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<PbN> |
mouseovers are possible off the web |
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<mIEKAL> |
that would be a good children's story _reiner's
mouseovers_ |
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<Surd> |
For me right now, I'm trying to do interactive
sound/image/text |
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<komninos> |
m you will eventually reprioritize your needs
to increase the priority of staying up to speed with the web
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<Surd> |
That's the new part. |
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<Deena> |
But each software supports something different
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<mIEKAL> |
k, Id have to get a real job |
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<mIEKAL> |
you cant live on a couple thousand a year &
keep up to new tech. |
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<Deena> |
k, no one can keep up with the new tech.
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<komninos> |
yea but i bet you've even considered that?
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<mIEKAL> |
considered what? |
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<Surd> |
Yes, you're right, it may not be easy to separate
the imaginative acclimatization from the buttons. |
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<komninos> |
getting a "real job" |
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<Deena> |
s--or the particular interface. Web, sspace,
hypercard, guide, etc. |
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<mIEKAL> |
naw, never. |
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<Surd> |
But there is a difference... |
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<komninos> |
good, you are too valuable as a working artist
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<David> |
I find that a lot of my "imaginative acclimation"
takes place away from the computer |
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<mIEKAL> |
I create my wealth in other ways, I just have
to accept its limitations. |
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<Surd> |
Howso, David? |
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<Deena> |
There is another twist in the "survival" bit-now
we have to consider technology, keeping up with it, as well as eating
and living |
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<anniea> |
pbn, mouseovers outside the web is.......???
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<David> |
S, I'm still thinking about the work, or frustrations
with the work (or the programming) |
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<mIEKAL> |
I agree David, lately mine has been coming from
reading interviews with Borges. |
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<PbN> |
possible in offline browser, a |
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<David> |
but away from the keyboard, involved in other
things or |
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<David> |
just letting my mind wander. |
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<David> |
Funny how problems that seemed intractable
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<David> |
often clear themselves up in the shower
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<komninos> |
hey reinner you there? |
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<anniea> |
reiner is exercising balance |
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<komninos> |
this is your party after all |
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<reiner> |
yes i am back |
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<Surd> |
Let's hope it's not too precarious. |
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<David> |
annie, I took Ted to mean offline. Still on
the computer, but |
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<mIEKAL> |
Im also not able to write poetry at the computer...always
on paper with a pencil |
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<reiner> |
felling better now |
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<David> |
not necessarily on the web |
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<PbN> |
d, yes. |
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<anniea> |
thnks |
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<komninos> |
i doodle on paper these days, poems come as
three d ideas |
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<PbN> |
99.9% of the WEB could run off the Web
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<reiner> |
that is right |
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<Surd> |
This couldn't. |
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<David> |
but many of the collaborations would not happen
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<PbN> |
S, true |
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<Surd> |
Right, it's the connective tissue. |
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<mIEKAL> |
ted, Im not sure what yr getting at <>
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<komninos> |
no the things that will endure will only be
able to happen on the web |
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<PbN> |
Ask Re... |
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<Deena> |
I doodle on photoshop, it seems to be much easier.
How do you create your works, Reiner? On or off line? |
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<Surd> |
Even if much work could run off the web, the
communicative, public frame may be important to it. |
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<reiner> |
offline --- making photos --- collecting sounds
---- ideas --- sketches |
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<reiner> |
than photoshop --- teach text ---- what else
.... |
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<reiner> |
i think ted is right |
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<reiner> |
the most pieces can be presented offline
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<reiner> |
but i think that does not matter |
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<PbN> |
agreed |
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<reiner> |
the most works 'only' on the web |
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<Surd> |
I don't agree Komninos, in a literal sense.
The conceptual connection with the Web is important too.
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