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<jley> |
the
body issue seems to be something many women address |
| [13:30] |
<gromala> |
Surd,
what is SIGGRAPH, do you mean? |
| [13:30] |
<Surd> |
yes |
| [13:30] |
<cguertin> |
shelley
jackson, diane greco... |
| [13:31] |
<cguertin> |
liz
miller--all do interesting body work. |
| [13:31] |
<gromala> |
SIGGRAPH = perhaps the largest annual
conference |
| [13:31] |
<gromala> |
on
computer graphics |
| [13:31] |
<Djuna> |
that
may be because in the mainstream it's the only identity' we really
have - we're questioning that |
| [13:31] |
<jley> |
I was
thinking that Claire |
| [13:31] |
<gromala> |
It's
not an "art" conference, but involves computer scientists,
animators, and so on. |
| [13:31] |
<jley> |
the
woman/body objectified |
| [13:32] |
<cguertin> |
dismembered |
| [13:32] |
<jley> |
and
claiming that and defining that for ourselves |
| [13:32] |
<gromala> |
I think
it is important for the artists and humanities folks to have a
presence there, because it is a critical place for the development
of new technology. |
| [13:32] |
<jley> |
Diane's
work has to do with the body as well |
| [13:32] |
<cguertin> |
rewriting it in our own vision? |
| [13:32] |
<Surd> |
A
combination of art and other things? Academic? Both? |
| [13:32] |
<gromala> |
both |
| [13:33] |
<gromala> |
Sorry I
spoke over everyone -- surd, we could have an offline chat
later. |
| [13:33] |
<cguertin> |
continuing this blurring of boundaries we were
talking about... |
| [13:33] |
<Surd> |
Like
Hypertext 00? |
| [13:33] |
<Surd> |
k |
| [13:33] |
<gromala> |
Sure. And jley, yes, we have hypertext submissions,
finally. |
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<cguertin> |
Diane, why do you say 'finally'? i've seen hypertext
at siggraph before... |
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*jley will brb |
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<gromala> |
cguertin, yes there has been hypertext before,
but it doesn't seem to have a regular presence. Anyway, here's the
last plug for SIGGRAPH -- in addition for calling for hypertext,
we'll have a special session on it (Bolter, Murray, Sengers, et.al),
and have some great critical essays too. |
| [13:36] |
<cguertin> |
great
news! |
| [13:36] |
<cguertin> |
is this
a new recognition of the form or a shift in focus? |
| [13:36] |
<Djuna> |
is the
deadline still open/ |
| [13:36] |
<Djuna> |
? |
| [13:36] |
<gromala> |
djuna, |
| [13:36] |
<jley> |
how
wonderful !! |
| [13:37] |
<gromala> |
no, the deadline has passed, but maybe you should
email me anyway |
| [13:37] |
<Djuna> |
I will.
Thanks! |
| [13:37] |
<Surd> |
Well it
seems like we're winding down, Jen, unless there was other stuff you
wanted to bring up? |
| [13:38] |
<jley> |
btw ...
Judy Malloy's forum, Gender and Identity in New Media |
| [13:38] |
<jley> |
has
reopened ... |
| [13:38] |
<talanM> |
i'm
always showing up when it's over
|
| [13:38] |
<jley> |
there's
a link at her interview ... |
| [13:38] |
<Djuna> |
:( |
| [13:39] |
<jley> |
so that
could be a way for women to stay in touch with what we are all
doing |
| [13:39] |
<Djuna> |
indeed |
| [13:39] |
<jley> |
if
strategizing needs to be done, re: reviews, etc |
| [13:39] |
<cguertin> |
i would
encourage you all to visit judy's forum.
|
| [13:39] |
<jley> |
thanks
Carolyn |
| [13:39] |
<cguertin> |
this is
just the beginning of a dialogue, is it not? |
| [13:39] |
<cguertin> |
not the
end? |
| [13:39] |
<Djuna> |
i
shall |
| [13:39] |
<jley> |
I think
so |
| [13:40] |
<cguertin> |
perhaps
we should do this on a regular basis? |
| [13:40] |
<Surd> |
Well
you're more than welcome to use Defib. |
| [13:40] |
<jley> |
ooops
the hijacking of defib ;) |
| [13:40] |
<jley> |
let one
woman in and .... |
| [13:40] |
<Djuna> |
;) |
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<Loss> |
In
terms of promotion, I would offer the EPC. |
| [13:40] |
<Surd> |
It
isn't used enough, actually. |
| [13:40] |
<Loss> |
We can
highlight specific events or resources. |
| [13:40] |
<Djuna> |
we're very territorial ... |
| [13:40] |
<jley> |
that's
very generous Loss |
| [13:41] |
<cguertin> |
can you
tell us more about epc, loss? |
| [13:41] |
<jley> |
I know
you have a huge audience |
| [13:41] |
<Loss> |
By the
way we were just written up in USA Today! |
| [13:41] |
<Loss> |
Yes we
have 9 million users a year. |
| [13:41] |
<cguertin> |
kookamunga. |
| [13:41] |
<Djuna> |
congrats loss! |
| [13:41] |
<Loss> |
When we
make a feature we usually get around 20,000 people to look at new
stuff. |
| [13:41] |
<Loss> |
Thanks.
It was nice. |
| [13:42] |
<Surd> |
You
know, Loss, what you and Charles have done with EPC is really
inspirational. |
| [13:42] |
<Loss> |
So
perhaps I could coordinate with someone when there are projects that
we want to get the word out about. |
| [13:42] |
<jley> |
Was
SUNY the first university to really concentrate on Digital Poetics
Loss? |
| [13:42] |
<Loss> |
Thanks,
Jim. |
| [13:42] |
<Loss> |
Yes,
J. |
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<jley> |
It
shows ... the site has such depth |
| [13:43] |
<cguertin> |
it's an
amazing resource. |
| [13:43] |
<Loss> |
Thanks. The great thing is that we've been successful
at getting work out there. Our goal! |
| [13:43] |
<Djuna> |
to say
the least! |
| [13:43] |
<Surd> |
How do
you view EPC. Content and Conduit? One more than the other?
|
| [13:43] |
<Loss> |
I would
say both equally. |
| [13:43] |
<Loss> |
Though
I must say, if any work is in danger of being lost. |
| [13:43] |
<Surd> |
The
notion of the conduit is an interesting one. |
| [13:43] |
<Loss> |
We can
offer a solid archive. |
| [13:43] |
<jley> |
that's
tremendously important ... |
| [13:44] |
<jley> |
I know
alot of the earlier zines are running into archiving issues
|
| [13:44] |
<cguertin> |
...that
addresses one of the problems of these virtual dealings
|
| [13:44] |
<Loss> |
It was
partly how we started... |
| [13:44] |
<Loss> |
Zines
were emerging then disappearing! |
| [13:44] |
<talanM> |
i keep
each issue of the Hive on a separate CD |
| [13:44] |
<Surd> |
A hub
through which people and discussion and ideas and projects
flow... |
| [13:44] |
<Loss> |
That's
a good idea Talan. |
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<talanM> |
as well
as the current browse at the time of the issue |
| [13:45] |
<Djuna> |
i don't
know how to do that (yet ...) |
| [13:45] |
|
*jley thanks her lucky stars for her anonymous
storage benefactor |
| [13:45] |
<Surd> |
Do you
see the conduit aspect as part of the art of the Web, Loss?
|
| [13:46] |
<Loss> |
Yes. We
should value our connections. |
| [13:46] |
<Surd> |
yes |
| [13:46] |
<Loss> |
Jennifer, what kind of server do you
have? |
| [13:46] |
<jley> |
the
domain Loss? |
| [13:46] |
<Loss> |
No, I
mean how are you hosted? Through a private company? |
| [13:47] |
<jley> |
A
private company hosts the domain |
| [13:47] |
<Loss> |
Your
work is so great. |
| [13:47] |
<jley> |
major
blush |
| [13:47] |
<Surd> |
haha |
| [13:47] |
<gromala> |
Yes,
your work does look great. |
| [13:47] |
<cguertin> |
i
second that motion |
| [13:48] |
<Surd> |
me
too! |
| [13:48] |
<Djuna> |
you
deserve it |
| [13:48] |
<jley> |
my work
is just all of our work ... |
| [13:48] |
<Djuna> |
that
may be true, but your the conduit |
| [13:48] |
<talanM> |
meridian is / will make an incredible
archive |
| [13:48] |
<cguertin> |
poor
jen |
| [13:48] |
<jley> |
i think
this is when i say thank you :) |
| [13:49] |
<Loss> |
Yes,
thank you! |
| [13:49] |
<cguertin> |
being a
conduit sounds painful, no matter how accurate. |
| [13:49] |
<Djuna> |
lol! |
| [13:49] |
<Loss> |
If
anyone is near Buffalo, Jennifer is going to read here.
|
| [13:49] |
<cguertin> |
what's
the occasion? |
| [13:49] |
<Djuna> |
Really?! I'm quite far tho - |
| [13:49] |
<jley> |
with
miekal ... and Karen ... how do spell her last name, Loss?
|
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<talanM> |
is e-publisher always a conduit |
| [13:50] |
<Loss> |
Weds.,
Apr. 5, 4pm |
| [13:50] |
<Loss> |
Karen
Alkalay-Gut |
| [13:50] |
<jley> |
ah yes
:) |
| [13:50] |
<Loss> |
And
Miekal and Jennifer will give a talk, |
| [13:50] |
<Loss> |
Weds.
Apr. 5, 12:30pm |
| [13:50] |
<Surd> |
What
on? |
| [13:51] |
<Loss> |
"Making
Digital Writing" |
| [13:51] |
<Loss> |
generally, more or less! |
| [13:51] |
<cguertin> |
i like
this concept of the 'making' of words/images/text |
| [13:52] |
<jley> |
you can
see that in your Skeleton Sky Carolyn |
| [13:52] |
<cguertin> |
how
so? |
| [13:52] |
<jley> |
oh no I
have to explain?? |
| [13:52] |
<cguertin> |
heh |
| [13:53] |
<cguertin> |
it's
your lecture. |
| [13:53] |
<talanM> |
transliteration between representational
contexts... |
| [13:53] |
<jley> |
I was
thinking about the interface you set up |
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<jley> |
yes but
I'm still working on the draft Carolyn ... hehe |
| [13:53] |
<cguertin> |
go on,
talan, my publisher. |
| [13:54] |
<talanM> |
there
is an apparent modulation between the colors, the words, the
repeated image |
| [13:54] |
<cguertin> |
echoes,
do you mean? or resonance? |
| [13:55] |
<Djuna> |
brb |
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<talanM> |
resonance in the reverb sense... a phasing that
was obvious to me |
| [13:55] |
<talanM> |
in
working with it |
| [13:55] |
<Surd> |
What is
the URL? |
| [13:56] |
<Surd> |
brb
body |
| [13:56] |
<talanM> |
----
current issue of BeeHive. |
| [13:56] |
<cguertin> |
i tried
to interweave the words and the images. can images have ph(r)asing?
i hope so. |
| [13:56] |
<cguertin> |
Skeleton
Sky
|
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<jley> |
ack ...
it's 5 oclock ... I think I'm turning into a pumpkin |
| [13:57] |
<talanM> |
it
happens... as well, the sizing of the wheel image, the resizing sets
up something of a modulation |
| [13:58] |
<cguertin> |
a
spinning? |
| [13:58] |
<Loss> |
Good-bye all. Did you get my e-mail,
Jennifer? |
| [13:58] |
<jley> |
yes I
did Loss |
| [13:58] |
<talanM> |
yes,
C. |
| [13:58] |
<jley> |
tried
to message back don't think it worked |
| [13:58] |
<Loss> |
Thank
you, Jennifer. |
| [13:58] |
<jley> |
I'll
write |
| [13:58] |
<Surd> |
Thanks,
everyone. |
| [13:58] |
<Loss> |
Good. |
| [13:58] |
<Loss> |
And
thanks, Jim. |
| [13:58] |
<jley> |
thank
you all for being part of this ... |
| [13:58] |
<Loss> |
This
will be a great transcript! |
| [13:58] |
<jley> |
and Jim
for everything |
| [13:58] |
<cguertin> |
thanks
for hosting us |
| [13:58] |
<gromala> |
jley,
thanks for everything! |
| [13:58] |
<cguertin> |
and for
leading us |
| [13:58] |
<Loss> |
Bye! |
| [13:58] |
<Surd> |
And
congratulations, Jen. |
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<gromala> |
bye! |
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<jley> |
bye all
:) |
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<talanM> |
bye
Jen |
| [13:59] |
<jley> |
huge
female hugs into the bargain |
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