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<Jim> |
Yes, whatever else poetry is, a deep engagement with language would seem to be a, uh, essential part of it... though that word essential is problematic.
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<LossGlazier> |
not just produce a slick and soothing corporate web page, for example
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<LossGlazier> |
but play with the kinks and ripples in the medium.
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<mez> |
sure.
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<PbN> |
kink and ripple -- cools
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<LossGlazier> |
Well the sort of irony was
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<mez> |
is there a way to transform such basic poetry x-pectations 2 n-clude more mediamatic l-ements do u think? lezz m-phasis on the textual componentz?
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<LossGlazier> |
that I created the Electronic Poetry Center before there was a huge base of digital practice.
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<Jim> |
So concentration on language and the phenomenology of the particular media/um is central to innovative poetry/poetics?
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<LossGlazier> |
With the goal of establishing a foothold, making those links with innovative poets, situating the resource in a university ...
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<carolyn> |
wow. i'm in.
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<mez> |
heya carolyn:)
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<LossGlazier> |
I don't think we can say concentration on language
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<PbN> |
Loss, inf not 'language' how about 'code' -- "code poetry" ?
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<LossGlazier> |
because "language" raises a sore point
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<Jim> |
How so?
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<LossGlazier> |
language would be ok but the problem is that we tend to associate that with text
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<LossGlazier> |
the visual people go hey would about the visual
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<LossGlazier> |
because we need to include in the term "language" both visual and textual
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<Jim> |
Isn't that preferable, though, to saying
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<LossGlazier> |
yes "code" is also valuable
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<Jim> |
that innovative poetry concentrates on the word and the phenomenology of the media/um?
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<Jim> |
Preferable in that it breaks down the barriers between the word and other language?
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<PbN> |
code po... is a new term I've heard just recently -- seems to include more than viz, lang... is this your sense?
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<Jim> |
Hi there Chris Funkhouser.
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<cfunk> |
good afternoon, all
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<carolyn> |
on one of the lists i subscribe to, we've been talking a lot about 'fractal poetry'. we are using it as a way of describing the multidimensional permutations that happen in language, code, real time, space, and all. Does this fit your model, loss?
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<mez> |
howe about facet poetry?
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<LossGlazier> |
Carolyn, that's a helpful idea.
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<PbN> |
Queen Cleo!
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<Cleo> |
hello friends --
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<mez> |
heya cleo;)
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<Cleo> |
lol!
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<Jim> |
...has left the building...
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<tomb> |
loss, when is your book coming out?
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<LossGlazier> |
These terms are all very useful.
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<mez> |
eclect[ronic]ic poetry?
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<LossGlazier> |
Well, it takes them a long time.
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<mez> |
:)
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<Jim> |
But we were talking about EPC and what you see EPC doing...
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<LossGlazier> |
It's called "Digital Poetics
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<LossGlazier> |
out in about a year, they promise.
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<LossGlazier> |
Yes Jim.
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<LossGlazier> |
This ties into my book too.
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<LossGlazier> |
The connection between innovative language practice and media poetries.
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<LossGlazier> |
I think in terms of the EPC
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<LossGlazier> |
I do like to see these ties manifest
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<LossGlazier> |
I mean get digital media artists to read innovative poetries
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<LossGlazier> |
and get innovative poets to acknowledge that some of these works
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<LossGlazier> |
are just as much in the tradition of Stein or Retallack or Howe
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<LossGlazier> |
that maybe one aspect of their/others investigations
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<tomb> |
i would like to see more innovative poetry pieces on the net
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<LossGlazier> |
can only lead to the electronic
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<Jim> |
Right. So you see EPC as a hub for innovative poetics regardless of media?
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<tomb> |
the electronic seems more receptive than print?
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<mez> |
so yr makin a complete distinction b-tween innovative poets [print based] N dig media artistz? tryin 2 co-join em back 2gether?
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<Cleo> |
do you mean get the hypermedia/um to be an integral part of the work of traditional text poets -
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<LossGlazier> |
I think there is a "poetics" to innovative practice
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<LossGlazier> |
that transcends medium.
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<tomb> |
yes yes
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<Jim> |
What are some of the characteristics of such a poetics?
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<tomb> |
does it have to use more than one mode?
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<LossGlazier> |
Ah
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<Jim> |
ehehe
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<LossGlazier> |
I look at it in terms of edges
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<LossGlazier> |
In other words
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<LossGlazier> |
innovative practice let's call it ip in print poetry looks at the edges of poetic practice
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<carolyn> |
and these edges are permeable?
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<LossGlazier> |
what is on the fringe, the edges of how lang works
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<LossGlazier> |
the same with electronic
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<tomb> |
i like the edges!
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<LossGlazier> |
(yes i LOVE the idea that they are permeable! because aren't we all? i was just caught on in the rain and i can tell you that i'm not air tight)
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<mez> |
:)
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<PbN> |
edges and fields
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<LossGlazier> |
yes PbN
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<LossGlazier> |
in terms of the electronic
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<LossGlazier> |
there are a lot of edges
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<LossGlazier> |
like
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<Jim> |
Yes, unlimited possibilities does not provide an edge... so to head for the edges and push and navigate along them...
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<LossGlazier> |
what is the problematic of being here
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<tomb> |
any relation to the 'field project'?
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<PbN> |
:)
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<LossGlazier> |
yes i think so tom
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<LossGlazier> |
also a relation to the "features" we've been doing at the EPC
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<LossGlazier> |
Feb., the Valentine Files and April, Poems for April
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*PbN misses David today
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*mez se.quinz and kode kingz
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<LossGlazier> |
PbN, he wrote me and said he was going to miss being here
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<Jim> |
Yes, I know you and David have taken EPC deeper into the digital media realm, and am grateful for that, Loss. EPC is a great bridge into the innovative regardless of whether we're talking print or e or whatever.
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<PbN> |
ditto
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<carolyn> |
there aren't enough of these bridges. places like epc and the electronic book review are great starting points though.
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<LossGlazier> |
The great thing about the base we have is that so many people get exposed to the work
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<carolyn> |
what's the reader/surfership?
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<Jim> |
Then there's ubu and light and dust, but those are more archival or presenting previous work to the digital realm.
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<LossGlazier> |
Carolyn, one thing that I would like to suggest here is that we keep lines of communication open,
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<LossGlazier> |
think about special projects, ways to use the epc as a kind of portal,
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<LossGlazier> |
to the benefit of all.
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<carolyn> |
permute and percolate?
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<tomb> |
ubu is down
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<Jim> |
down for good i think.
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<LossGlazier> |
There's a classic, heart-breaking example.
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<LossGlazier> |
It is down forever.
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<cfunk> |
yes, ubu lost 8000 files...
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<mez> |
howe did the loss happen? isp traumaz?
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<Cleo> |
indeed! maybe you should have a zine like - thing inside with a loose theme - like 'David's april poems, that runs every couple of months for people to respond to. with a forum that might bring artists and poets together there
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<LossGlazier> |
That is why I encourage the archiving of files at the EPC.
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<cfunk> |
Loss, how hard is it for you to manage the EPC at this point, time-wise?
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<LossGlazier> |
yes mez
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<LossGlazier> |
i know university's have their ideological problems too
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<LossGlazier> |
but basing our work in for-profit servers makes me nervous
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<LossGlazier> |
(please correct the transcript to "universities")
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<cfunk> |
poets have their ideological (and social) problems, too...
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<Cleo> |
understandable -
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<Cleo> |
if we all had our own servers ...
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<Cleo> |
lol cfunk!
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<LossGlazier> |
cleo, i'm sorry but what is your name? i'm interested in continuing the idea of alternate month or so featured projects
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<LossGlazier> |
you can believe the response we've gotten
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<Cleo> |
i'm claire dinsmore
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<LossGlazier> |
thanks
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<LossGlazier> |
it's so dusky in here it's hard to see everyone's faces!
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<PbN> |
that's Queen Claire to us common types,,,
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<mez> |
:)
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<tomb> |
loss, wasn't mike doing something like a periodic work?
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<LossGlazier> |
Chris, it's nearly impossible.
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<carolyn> |
leader of the empire and cauldron and net
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<Cleo> |
i'm exceedingly intrigued but have been too busy to participate lately
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<Cleo> |
*blush
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