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<cinader> |
i prefer to push for what i believe is possible
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<cinader> |
even if i only accomplish it in part
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<Surd> |
Basically the article anticipates a recapitulation
of colonialism in the electrosphere. |
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<tombell> |
if you think something is impossible it is!
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<cinader> |
certainly many signs point to that |
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<cinader> |
and i struggle against it |
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<Surd> |
Well hello there Dirk! |
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<cinader> |
pacifica radio also seems like an impossiblity
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<dirk> |
hi |
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<tombell> |
hi, dirk |
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<cinader> |
yet wbai has existed for more than thirty years
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<cinader> |
with no corporate sponsorship of any kind
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<Surd> |
Yes, those Pacifica stations are important.
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<cinader> |
i believe it is my responsibility to reach beyond
a corporate |
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<cinader> |
model of "the web" |
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<tombell> |
say more, martha |
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<tombell> |
how? |
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<Surd> |
Cool. Same here. But you also are not alergic
to commercial elements in your site... you combine a non corporate
with a commercial dimension. |
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<cinader> |
that's true, searching for a way to pay....
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<cinader> |
will probably remove the banner ads soon
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<cinader> |
because i don't think they pay enough!
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<Surd> |
And to integrate into the biz of the Web?
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<tombell> |
i keep the ads as it seems probably 'ads' underlie
everything today |
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<cinader> |
yeah, yeah, yeah, i want to sell my cds like
everyone else |
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<cinader> |
and i'm a single mother who loves the convenience
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<cinader> |
of shopping on the web |
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<Surd> |
I am not criticizing, Martha, |
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<cinader> |
but all that is kind of insignificant
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<cinader> |
i want to set up huge video screens |
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<Surd> |
Sufi's say 'Easier to be a sage on the mountaintop
than in the marketplace.' |
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<cinader> |
get a bunch of kids off the street |
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<cinader> |
put them in the theater and let them collaborate
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<cinader> |
with kids around the world |
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<cinader> |
make the corporations pay for it |
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<cinader> |
and not even let them put up any billboards
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<cinader> |
they owe it to the next generation |
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<cinader> |
in my estimation |
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<cinader> |
"didn't interpret it as criticism" just trying
to get beyond the browser |
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<Surd> |
Yes, providing some vision and direction for
the future of the Web is important. |
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<Surd> |
I see our Web sites and Web activities as being
directed, in part, to that end. |
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<cinader> |
that's true, they certainly play an integral
and crucial role |
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<Surd> |
Toward soul therein... |
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<cinader> |
? please elaborate tom |
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<Surd> |
I think Tom is multitasking 8-) |
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<tombell> |
on? Everything today occurs in the media of
ads - coke ads in africa |
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<tombell> |
for example |
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<Surd> |
Martha overboard! |
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<Surd> |
Hand the poor woman a towel. How's the water,
Martha? |
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<Surd> |
Here's a towel, luv. |
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<cinader> |
i think i got disconnected |
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<cinader> |
did i get wet? |
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<Surd> |
Sometimes the waves getcha. |
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<cinader> |
lucky i'm a whale |
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<Surd> |
haha |
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<Surd> |
Hi Mezzie! |
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<tombell> |
hi, mez |
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<mez> |
lo all:) |
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<mez> |
sorry 4 b-ing late |
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<Surd> |
You're excused luv. |
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<Surd> |
You're an early bird nonetheless. |
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<cinader> |
you are so gracious jim |
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<Surd> |
I got up at 11 |
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<Guest90199> |
nick mezzie |
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<Guest90199> |
oops |
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<Surd> |
Identity crisis! |
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<Guest90199> |
how do i change my nick please? |
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<Guest90199> |
eheh |
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<Surd> |
hmm... |
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<Surd> |
type /nick yournewname |
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<Surd> |
It isn't always so simple. |
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<mezzie> |
weird...juzt did that and it didn't wurk...oh
well is now. |
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<Surd> |
and now is well also |
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<mezzie> |
;) |
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<mezzie> |
so where r we up to in the chat? |
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<Surd> |
Tom was talking about the place of ads in everything
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<cinader> |
looking toward the horizon |
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<mezzie> |
righte, sounds n-teresting, specially the horizon
byte;) |
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<tombell> |
ads are everywhere - need to be conscious of
them |
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<cinader> |
yes, you might say they run our lives
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<cinader> |
they fund our art |
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<tombell> |
coke in africa and the louve in Vegas
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<mezzie> |
tombell, do u mean they're n-sid.e.uoz becoz
of this? meaning they may taint artistic practice? |
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<cinader> |
well, artists shit too |
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<tombell> |
no not taint art but art can use them
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<cinader> |
excuse my language |
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<mezzie> |
cinader>;) |
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<cinader> |
can we define the world wide web |
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<cinader> |
instead of art? |
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<cinader> |
get beyond banner ads |
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<cinader> |
to multi-media tele-theater |
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<mezzie> |
so it's a process of appropraition? reappropriation
etc [n-sert m-mage of a snake eatin itz taile]... |
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<cinader> |
without billboards |
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<cinader> |
or even with billboards |
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<cinader> |
i don't actually care that much |
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<mezzie> |
cinader--wot an n-triguin ideer! can u say more?
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<cinader> |
would love to go on all day about it
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<cinader> |
picture two theaters |
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<cinader> |
two audiences |
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<cinader> |
four video screens |
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<cinader> |
twenty televisions |
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<cinader> |
a script written by collaboration on the internet
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<cinader> |
two casts |
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<cinader> |
streaming over www2 |
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<cinader> |
maybe you would need a few windows open in your
browser |
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<cinader> |
to spy on the live event from your pc
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<cinader> |
from a few different camera angles |
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<mezzie> |
so streamin the whole process/ jump cutz 2 the
audience lookin stunned etc?;) |
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<cinader> |
that could happen |
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<cinader> |
i would have a camera on each audience
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<cinader> |
have them participate like a greek chorus
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<cinader> |
see each other |
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<cinader> |
wave at each other |
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<cinader> |
talk to each other before or after the performance
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*Surd powders his good side
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<cinader> |
chuckle |
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<dirk> |
cool! would require plenty of $ though
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<mezzie> |
so the x-perience wood x-tend from the real-life
purrformance net.wurk tendrilled thru the net.work of the web?
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<cinader> |
yeah, i estimate about a quarter million for
one event |
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<dirk> |
wow! |
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<Surd> |
Martha has been involved in a lot of the e-poet
multicast events. |
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<cinader> |
yeah, mez, exactly |
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<mezzie> |
jeez... |
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<cinader> |
yeah, the e-poets are building a great network
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<Surd> |
Could you describe the basics of those events?
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<cinader> |
i've also worked with/been inspired by oceanofk.org
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<Surd> |
Speak of the devil! |
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<kheintz> |
hey! |
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<cinader> |
hi kurt, right on time! |
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<Surd> |
Hi Kurt, Jim here, good to have you here.
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<kheintz> |
Sorry for missing anything... but my ears were
burning. |
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<kheintz> |
Thanks, Jim. |
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<Surd> |
Kurt masterminds e-poets.net |
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<cinader> |
yeah, i was talking about my vision of a tele-play
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<cinader> |
and the beautiful network you are building
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<kheintz> |
where there are performers in two sites at the
same time? |
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<kheintz> |
Oh, well... you add quite a bit to it, Martha.
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<cinader> |
yes, with audience participation |
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<kheintz> |
Audience is king. |
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<cinader> |
i wrote a color coded script for such an event
at missionoflove.com |
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<cinader> |
the website, would of course be crucial
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<cinader> |
but not the end in itself |
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<kheintz> |
Martha's a pioneer in this work, I feel, because
she's very audience-centered. |
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<Surd> |
Are transcripts or archives involved in this
vision, Martha? |
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<kheintz> |
too many people just push, push, push... it's
all about visibility and no dialog. |
