| <datahbleede> |
am i stayin tru 2 my vision or comp.rom.izing the act of mezangelling bi tranzlatin i guezz is wot i'm [deep]pond.er.ing
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| <re_workinpr> |
ah...
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| <datahbleede> |
ethicz onne a grande[mal]scale i zoopose...all ov the ahbove bri:)
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| <jley> |
well mez if you look at that short thing above : s[h]elf censwhoring
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| <datahbleede> |
yeah jen?
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| <jley> |
there are so many ways to look at those two words interpretively
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| <jley> |
self on shelf
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| <jley> |
etc etc
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| <re_workinpr> |
shelf on self (ow!)
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| <datahbleede> |
eheh
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datahbleede whacks herself withe a shelf
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| <jley> |
I wonder if the translations can ever be as subtexturally rich as the original
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| <PbN> |
yes!
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| <PbN> |
maybe ultimately more
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| <jley> |
even if they are easier to read as almost ... poetry
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| <datahbleede> |
welle, i purr.son[N daughter] don't think sew, but have great re:actions 2 em...
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| <datahbleede> |
N i Kant stoppe em, the sounde juzt seems 2 b [wo]manifeztin bigtime...
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| <jley> |
the translations become very lyric ... for me
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| <datahbleede> |
yesh 2 the poetri call 2 jenn....
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| <datahbleede> |
ted...u think the tranz can b moore/ can u saye more?
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| <re_workinpr> |
jen do you find the untranzlated ones lyric too?
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| <jley> |
not in the same way bri
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| <PbN> |
your trans taken together as a whole, M -- very rich ^between^s
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datahbleede N-gagez runran
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| <datahbleede> |
rightte
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| <datahbleede> |
yeah that makez sense
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| <runran> |
hi
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| <jley> |
depends on the audience ??
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| <re_workinpr> |
lyric = sound? or lyric = structure?
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| <datahbleede> |
think the waye itz goinge is a mad n-t-gration ov bothe,
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| <jley> |
lyric as in structure ... audience as in traditional lyric poetry audience who might not engage as easily with the originals
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| <datahbleede> |
butte knot in the traditional lyrical struct.ore notion...
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| <datahbleede> |
a mixe ov bothe mebbe?
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| <re_workinpr> |
oui, always i guess
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| <jley> |
sorry mez /// let us all just tell ya what you're doin' eh??? --- blush
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| <PbN> |
structure is obviously important in your work, M, as perhaps in most so-called 'code' poetries --
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| <datahbleede> |
ov courze the n-teractorz who particpate make the structural com.po[mo]entz stand out N sit uppe...
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| <PbN> |
can u say more?
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| <datahbleede> |
no no jen, that'z coole, have no prob with that, izz fas-sin-ating:)
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| <datahbleede> |
whoo me ted?
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| <PbN> |
:)
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| <datahbleede> |
ahbout struck.tore?
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| <PbN> |
am I wrong?
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| <datahbleede> |
hMM..well i spoze mi senze ov struck.tour comez fromme the netwurked 4matt more than anything else
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| <datahbleede> |
no no, knott wronge:)
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| <re_workinpr> |
i.e. structurally the mezangstexts require re-reading [reworking] ?
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| <re_workinpr> |
= invite collab?
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| <datahbleede> |
the spread ov simple text thru a email editore makez the procezz almozt sub-conciouz,
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| <jley> |
a participatory reader??
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| <datahbleede> |
ooh yeah
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| <datahbleede> |
like that phrase[ologee]
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| <jley> |
not that all readers aren't participatory ... but on another level
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| <datahbleede> |
part[icle]ishipatori read.her&him
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| <jley> |
:)
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| <datahbleede> |
the active notion comez 4m the structure, taking a tract that grabs me and re-wurkin it without a manifest planne, going with N all.most n-stinctuall procezz....
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datahbleede n-gagez martha
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| <martha> |
hello! hello! hello!
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| <PbN> |
M, am thinking the process itself is structured (editing, translating -- digital!) rather than 'form' per se...
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| <martha> |
don't let me interrupt
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| <PbN> |
that the results are NOT entirely arbitrary or random, but... structured (mentally)...
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| <datahbleede> |
shore ted [martha n-turr.rupt all u like, thatz wot ircing is all about:)]
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| <reiner> |
trans_la_ting ?
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| <datahbleede> |
..butte i also think that with-n that str[ict]ucture izz n N-normouz amount of lee-way, the structore/forme makez this procezz fluid...
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| <PbN> |
M, that was meant as a question... not a pronouncement...
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| <datahbleede> |
tranz-8.ting[!]
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| <datahbleede> |
:)
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| <reiner> |
do you trans-late ?
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| <datahbleede> |
ted, thoze fragmented echoz of the form procezz [editing, cutnpast-ting etc] show uppe the web ov the net.work, make it pozzible 2 move b-yond simple text-based 4mulationz....
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| <PbN> |
yes
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datahbleede steppz down off her hi[fi]horze 4 a bitte;)
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| <jley> |
re: structure ... I think what I find interesting is that there seems to be no one way to mezang a word ... because the way you treat a word depends on its use and placement in context
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| <datahbleede> |
reiner, du i tranz.L8?
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| <Surd> |
If you were to read your work aloud, I imagine another translation would be in order.
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| <PbN> |
Jen -- good!
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| <datahbleede> |
ooh yeah surd, been thinkin ov that 2....
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| <Surd> |
I have 'read' some of my visual poetry, basically something else completely.
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| <reiner> |
translation would mean - there is an 'original' teXt be-fore (?)
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| <datahbleede> |
jenn yr rightte, wot i tri to do iz 2 tinge mi mezangelling 2 allow 4 the widezt possible n-terp, but with cur.tain[t] thingz re-ack-curring ova N ova...
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| <Surd> |
or 'interpretation' or just something else, though related.
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| <datahbleede> |
surd, how'd u du it?
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| <jley> |
thus it becomes a fluid and adaptable language ??
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| <martha> |
do you do much performance of your work mez? I would be interested in listening.
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| <Surd> |
do sound poetry to the piece... make a lot of noise.
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| <jley> |
we all want sound !!!!
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| <reiner> |
and some silence ;)
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| <re_workinpr> |
jen: i think of that 'w/reading' process as : scanning channels [contexts]
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| <PbN> |
yeah re
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| <datahbleede> |
that ahllow[!]ance doezzn't alwaze wurk ov courze, and the ob.scu[g]ritee facktor may b upped a bit, but i still tri 2 allow 4 the reader 2 N-gage on some lvl....
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| <datahbleede> |
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| <datahbleede> |
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| <datahbleede> |
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| <datahbleede> |
n
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| <jley> |
aha br
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| <datahbleede> |
n
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| <reiner> |
- do you have a big trash - mez ? :)
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| <datahbleede> |
i
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| <martha> |
seems to me the reader must engage simply to understand
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| <datahbleede> |
n
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| <datahbleede> |
ehehhe reiner, u guezzed it:)
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| <jley> |
brb
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| <datahbleede> |
martha, n-deed, yr right...spoze i'm tryin 2 make the procezz more complicated, but also simplified uzing the tranzlation approach...
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| <datahbleede> |
bri, yr scannin ideah, can u say moore?
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| <martha> |
i'm sorry i probably missed it, but what do you mean by tranzlation approach?
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| <Surd> |
yes, this is for others to read later, too.
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| <datahbleede> |
martha, latelee ive been manipulatin textz thru my mezangelling, then tranzlatin them "bac" in2 engleesh...
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| <PbN> |
as demo'd recent on list, Mar...
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| <re_workinpr> |
semantic channels, on analogy to radio frequencies or... email threads [or lists]...
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| <datahbleede> |
butte only thru a limi-ted approach, ie tranzlatin the literal interp, not n-corp.ore.ratin all the multilayers/hypergrams as bill calls em...
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| <datahbleede> |
got ewe bri.
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| <re_workinpr> |
re-reading back + forth for multiple resonance
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| <datahbleede> |
martha, i waz sayin b4 that i'm not shore if thiz m-plict translation is a compro.mize[r]...or a natural progrezzion ov the wurk itzelf.
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