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jley is imagining a libretto of voices ... some mezang ... some the 'translations' ...
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| <Surd> |
is it motivated by a feeling that the mezangelling is too much for some or otherwise?
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| <datahbleede> |
bri, doez thizz scannin b-haviour shadow yr reel-life inpho n-tegration? doez 4 me....
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| <martha> |
ok, i haven't read the list this week....but is this sort of like translating hip hop for the non-hip on a cd cover?
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| <re_workinpr> |
yes, to my detriment sometimes :)
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| <martha> |
in the end it's all in how something is interpreted perhaps.
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| <datahbleede> |
surd, i hon.EST.lee kant say, but it pheelz like the wurk is hybridizing b-tween the 2, though i am itchin 2 get sounde in there 2...
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jley didn't see it that way ... the translations changed the meter of the work, its pacing ...
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| <datahbleede> |
martha, X_ACT.lee!! that's a purrfect N-al.oh.gee!
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| <martha> |
i like jley's idea. did you ever hear butch morris's chorus of poets anyone?
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| <datahbleede> |
jenn, yeah, i spoze i have a diffurrent take with a creat.ores biaz....
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| <jley> |
mezopera mezopera !!
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| <datahbleede> |
nope martha, tell uz ahbout itte?
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| <datahbleede> |
ehehhe mezanthroperah?
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| <martha> |
butch conducts musicians and poets, and poets and musicians, with
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| <martha> |
hand signals
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| <martha> |
he has a whole language which he uses
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| <martha> |
and replaces the more traditional "arrangement" with what he calls a conduction.
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| <jley> |
wow ... imagine using sign too mez ??? (my imagination is running away with itself)
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| <martha> |
yeah i love the idea of sign language
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| <martha> |
very international
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| <PbN> |
s y m b o l
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| <PbN> |
i c
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re_workinpr thinks 'conduction' = great trope !
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| <jley> |
and poetic ... once you start looking at how it works
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| <datahbleede> |
eheh jenn, yeah...wood b n-terestin with mi love ov the tact.tile...
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| <martha> |
yeah, he would have a signal for making sounds that circle, wave, get louder etc.
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| <martha> |
it's amazing how musicians, poets and even dj's can participate together and make music like that
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datahbleede muzes the t.ouch[e] N the netwurke...cablez of hand motionz, waves of hair strandingz into optic fibrez...
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| <re_workinpr> |
martha - is this improvised conduction or 'scored'?
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| <martha> |
improvised
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| <martha> |
a real mental workout really
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| <martha> |
i participated in a couple
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| <datahbleede> |
yeah?
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| <martha> |
you have to have a good memory because you have to remember what you just improvised...
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| <PbN> |
improv on structure
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| <martha> |
right, and of course familiarity with the "language"
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| <martha> |
rehearsals were rather entertaining
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| <datahbleede> |
ah, phamiliarity....
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| <martha> |
and family arguments
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| <datahbleede> |
:)
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| <Surd> |
At some point, Mez, I'd be interested in hearing your take on the political in your writing and elsewhere... is that a component of your writing?
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| <datahbleede> |
ooh
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| <jley> |
good question Jim
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| <datahbleede> |
thort thizz mite come up:)
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| <datahbleede> |
well, i tri not 2 actifflee wurk political state[wo]mentz in2 the mezangelled tracts, azz in i finde that wurk that is con[ned]structked pri.mar[yanne]ilee as politikal has an agender i juzt don't gelle with...
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| <datahbleede> |
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| <datahbleede> |
....ov courze my wurk in totalitee has a rampant political natore, even if it izz 2 highlighte some ov my own buggebearz that i tend 2 ab.strack conceptualli n hence, poll.ititicalli...
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datahbleede N-gagez noname
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| <NoName> |
hello mez :-)
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| <Surd> |
Does the phrase 'politics of the spirit' apply more than otherwise?
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PbN needs to run -- brb...
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| <datahbleede> |
...4 egg.sample, my constant re.furr.all 2 woman instead ov juzt man [as in [wo]manifezt]..alzo my referncez to scientific construcktz as thru power/capitalistic-tock/wezternized urgingz...
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| <datahbleede> |
ooh, it cood jim, yeah.
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| <re_workinpr> |
mez, re that : do you think 'language' is or creates 'reality,' in the sense that changing language can change the world?
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| <jley> |
things like load[h]er ??? definitely political :))
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| <datahbleede> |
i think the d-tails spell out[re] moore than pure political statementz, butte i cood b wronge....
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| <datahbleede> |
ooh yeah jenn, 4 shore
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| <martha> |
i think you're right
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| <martha> |
perhaps from the more complicated
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| <martha> |
untranslateable
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| <datahbleede> |
yuppe martha
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| <martha> |
to the more simplistic speech
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| <martha> |
which requires less attention
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| <datahbleede> |
bri...used 2 ponder this in my psych daze..whorfian hypotheziz and all that....
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| <jley> |
if the political slant is almost subliminal ... I would think that would ultimately support what bri is saying
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| <Surd> |
Stein was not 'overtly' political but it has nonetheless been very liberating.
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| <re_workinpr> |
don't know whorf, what's that?
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| <datahbleede> |
...eye think that wurd usage/x-posure can only n-hance change if used in a cur.tain way, though as 2 whether it shapez the wurld ore vice-vurr[sion]sa, dunno realli...
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| <re_workinpr> |
surd: what about the text entitled 'patriarchal poetry'? - pretty overt i think...
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| <jley> |
what text is that brian??
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| <Surd> |
don't know that one, brian.
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| <re_workinpr> |
you mean gertrude stein, yes?
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| <Surd> |
yes
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| <datahbleede> |
x-actly wot u said, the research waz whether words shape learning/modelling/behaviour or the reverse..they used lotsah refurrences to 50 words 4 snowe in ezkimo speak etc...has been disproved i think, knott shore...
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| <re_workinpr> |
it's in all the collected stein volumes. it's about... well, patriarchal poetry :)
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| <datahbleede> |
welle fancee that!
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| <datahbleede> |
:)
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| <jley> |
those patriarchs ;)
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| <datahbleede> |
pat.tree.architecturalli poeticz?
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| <re_workinpr> |
pronomial tendencies you might say... what it means to say 'she' or 'he'
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| <martha> |
yeah those pastryfarts
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| <datahbleede> |
mite make moore sense that way:)
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| <datahbleede> |
shore bri....
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jley wonders about this 'she' thing ... ie. do some people see the changing of pronouns as 'oh, here come the shemales again??' ...
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| <PbN> |
some
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| <re_workinpr> |
what = shemales?
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| <datahbleede> |
the shemale thang?
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| <Surd> |
naw, that's in the language now, isn't it?
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jley is curious
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| <martha> |
what's in the language?
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re_workinpr is confused
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| <martha> |
what language?
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| <datahbleede> |
i thinke if u offah bothe [as in bothe pronounz] the reader/interactor getz 2 make the choice N n-terpretation, don't they?
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| <jley> |
is the use of female pronouns read as self conscious??
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| <Surd> |
i mean it is conventional not to use 'man' etc now
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| <Surd> |
for humankind etc
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| <martha> |
probably militantly feministic
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| <datahbleede> |
ehehh
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| <PbN> |
political cracked
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| <datahbleede> |
thoze rad femmez
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| <datahbleede> |
:)
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| <datahbleede> |
[joke]
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| <jley> |
hehe femmon a na
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| <reiner> |
s_hehe (?)
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| <datahbleede> |
izz this the o' humanistic wurdz in a political clothing d-barghc-all?
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| <re_workinpr> |
mez - re: before : so you don't really think much of theories that language constitutes behavior/etc.?
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| <datahbleede> |
4 a purrsonall purrspectiff, i use both, make a pointe of hollowz in the language that i pheel doezn't apply, that x-cludes, removes n-clusion in2 the language, but i don't tri 2 browe beat....
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