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<Guest85793> |
ain't it the truth
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| [13:30] |
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*eliza sighs
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| [13:30] |
<Cleo> |
now now ...
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***Guest85793 is now known as anewnick
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***nick is now known as Guest89195
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| [13:31] |
<Surd> |
identity... |
| [13:31] |
<steve_d> |
and
many of 'em |
| [13:31] |
<Cleo> |
tsk
tsk children, pay some attention to our guest |
| [13:32] |
<Cleo> |
i
guess you're used to it though huh steve?! |
| [13:32] |
<Surd> |
is
identity an issue for you in your work, Steve... it seems it's an
issue on the Web in general... |
| [13:32] |
<anewnick> |
steve
i wonder if you would want to describe your sort of daily practice
as a writer/webartist |
| [13:33] |
<Guest89195> |
who
am i? |
| [13:33] |
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***Guest89195 is now known as PbN |
| [13:33] |
<steve_d> |
jim,
identity is an issue - i try to dance around it in my work, i
suppose |
| [13:34] |
<PbN> |
howso, steve? |
| [13:35] |
<steve_d> |
my
daily practice tends to feature cycles - web, writing, email,
depression, and so on |
| [13:35] |
<Surd> |
ehehe |
| [13:35] |
<glory> |
jackdaw hops onto the top of steve's
computer |
| [13:35] |
<anewnick> |
sounds familiar |
| [13:35] |
<steve_d> |
in
using different voices, registers, furniture, and so, ted
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| [13:36] |
<Cleo> |
are
all the smiles meant to counter or laugh at it? |
| [13:36] |
<Cleo> |
or |
| [13:36] |
<PbN> |
depression -- the poets friend -- watch the
swing! |
| [13:37] |
<steve_d> |
both
i guess, claire |
| [13:37] |
<Surd> |
Debris is utterly distinctive, yet, yes, it is
exploratory not just of you and yours but more widely among
connections... |
| [13:37] |
<Surd> |
identities... |
| [13:37] |
<eliza> |
oops
apologies inept |
| [13:37] |
<glory> |
jackdaw: irony irony (hoppity hop)
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| [13:37] |
<Cleo> |
if
you can laugh at it you're still okay :) |
| [13:38] |
<steve_d> |
Debris is meant to be made of the detritus,
traces, and so on, personality fragmented or something like
that |
| [13:39] |
<glory> |
jackdaw to eliza: it does get repetitive
sometimes |
| [13:39] |
<glory> |
sometimes |
| [13:39] |
<Surd> |
Do
you feel connection with language poetry? Is that part of your
poetical heritage or past? |
| [13:40] |
<steve_d> |
i
didn't discover language poetry until i got myself online but
immediately recognised a connection |
| [13:40] |
<Surd> |
when
was that? |
| [13:41] |
<Cleo> |
(i
wonder why that has such a large presence on the web?) |
| [13:41] |
<steve_d> |
i
came across coolidge and mac low when they were discussed on
british-poets list about hmmmmm 4/5 y ago |
| [13:41] |
<PbN> |
u
mean lang po, C? |
| [13:42] |
<Cleo> |
yes |
| [13:42] |
<PbN> |
it
COOL!!!! |
| [13:42] |
<Surd> |
Was
the british-poets list a beginning point for you on the web?
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| [13:42] |
<Cleo> |
utterly! but, that still doesn't explain it's
prevalence on the net |
| [13:42] |
<PbN> |
Mc
Low -- super cool! |
| [13:42] |
<anewnick> |
epc
was way out front |
| [13:43] |
<anewnick> |
nick/
joecow |
| [13:43] |
<Cleo> |
did
you write before steve? |
| [13:43] |
<steve_d> |
brit-poets was another beginning |
| [13:43] |
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***anewnick is now known as joecow
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| [13:44] |
<Cleo> |
(you
must have if you joined a p. list duh) |
| [13:44] |
<steve_d> |
before that there was fop-l and cybermind
lists |
| [13:44] |
<Surd> |
Don't
know those. |
| [13:45] |
<Cleo> |
Alan
Sondheim - fiction of philos. right? |
| [13:45] |
<steve_d> |
i was
writing and performing when i was a teenager but it really took in
london in the 80s |
| [13:45] |
<joecow> |
some
of the poems in the poem section of Debris are certainly of a
different style than the rest of the site - are those older
works? |
| [13:46] |
<steve_d> |
probably, joe, some of them are ancient
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| [13:46] |
<glory> |
jackdaw: alan alan julu julu jennifer
jennifer |
| [13:46] |
<steve_d> |
yeah,
alan sondheim was a revelation, too |
| [13:46] |
<Cleo> |
(who
is "glory" damnit?!) |
| [13:46] |
<PbN> |
:) |
| [13:46] |
<joecow> |
morning glory? |
| [13:46] |
<Cleo> |
@glory |
| [13:47] |
<glory> |
jackdaw: damnit damnit |
| [13:47] |
<steve_d> |
as in
the haiku |
| [13:47] |
<Cleo> |
lol! |
| [13:47] |
<Cleo> |
i
need dr. leo ... |
| [13:48] |
<Cleo> |
(excuse me) |
| [13:48] |
<joecow> |
konniger? |
| [13:49] |
<steve_d> |
unix
"doctor" prog |
| [13:49] |
<Cleo> |
indeed - replying to the fluster @glory
(intentionally i'm sure!) has me in |
| [13:49] |
|
*Surd thinks yes, epc was way out front but
also language po is one of the more prominent and productive or
generative contemporary print approaches that naturally extends to
new media... |
| [13:50] |
<Cleo> |
generative? why? |
| [13:50] |
<joecow> |
i
gather this is the thesis of loss glazier's forthcoming book, which
i look forward to reading |
| [13:50] |
|
*Surd thinks Loss and Charles have also made a
great conduit |
| [13:50] |
<Cleo> |
Charles? |
| [13:50] |
<eliza> |
And
'naturally', why? (just wonderng) |
| [13:51] |
<Surd> |
Generative in the sense that it is a good
departure point for what you will. |
| [13:51] |
<Surd> |
Debris and trace... for instance...
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| [13:51] |
<Cleo> |
obscure ... but that is the point oui?
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| [13:52] |
<PbN> |
natural, too, maybe, because the Web is at the
heart -- text based (best so still) |
| [13:52] |
<Cleo> |
EPC
or language poetry itself? |
| [13:52] |
<eliza> |
Maybe
too, open, and sometimes collaborative (lang po) |
| [13:52] |
<Surd> |
I
meant Debris and trace not as in the web sites... |
| [13:52] |
<Cleo> |
now
ted, don't get me riled ... |
| [13:52] |
<PbN> |
hey,
THIS IS TEXT! |
| [13:53] |
<steve_d> |
back
to paradise |
| [13:53] |
<joecow> |
i
think you certainly characterize langpo's stance toward language
usage as more 'divergent' than other poetry groupings |
| [13:53] |
<Surd> |
natural in the sense that langpo already deals
in dicing and slicing and, uh, other processes that we find of
interest in code etc. |
| [13:53] |
<Cleo> |
i
know, but i'm so tired of hearing about the 'golden days' of the web
before it hasd a graphic interface, makes me feel like i'm not
wanted |
| [13:53] |
<joecow> |
so
you might expect folks with those leanings to be more open to new
forms |
| [13:54] |
<PbN> |
Cleo,
I love you! We all love you! And want you, too!!! |
| [13:55] |
<joecow> |
yes
and that whole sector of langpo that works with procedural
poetries |
| [13:55] |
<Surd> |
langpo is not as synthetic of the arts as it
could be... |
| [13:55] |
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*Cleo blushes |
| [13:55] |
<joecow> |
will
certainly find itself extended in web work |
| [13:56] |
<joecow> |
jim
please elaborate |
| [13:56] |
<PbN> |
:)
so, C... wanna go PC? |
| [13:56] |
<Cleo> |
i
understand exactemont |
| [13:57] |
<Cleo> |
yes
jim, pls. do |
| [13:57] |
<PbN> |
Sorry, am being bad boy today... |
| [13:57] |
<Surd> |
a
resistance to the image, perhaps. |
| [13:58] |
|
*Cleo forgiven... |
| [13:58] |
<PbN> |
:) |
| [13:59] |
<joecow> |
I
have heard Meikal And express his opinion that langpo has been
resistant to vispo or insisted on its own version of it
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| [13:59] |
<Cleo> |
i'm
not sure about that - i've had some very rich encounters with lang
pos - the dedication to medium is similar - i was talking more the
old hypertext crowd |
