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<noname> |
where
is other folks? |
| [14:32] |
<PbN> |
hi
noname |
| [14:32] |
<Surd> |
are
your feathers ruffled, jackdaw? |
| [14:32] |
<Surd> |
welcome back pretty bird |
| [14:32] |
<PbN> |
noname, we is it |
| [14:32] |
<noname> |
ok |
| [14:32] |
<joecow> |
steve
you use the marquis tag in some pieces - anything else IE
only? |
| [14:33] |
<jackdaw> |
ruffled ruffled |
| [14:33] |
<jackdaw> |
pretty pretty |
| [14:33] |
<noname> |
PbN,
there are many people on the list, but only about 10 shown up.
:-) |
| [14:34] |
<steve_d> |
i
don't think so, but _big up_ and _blacklight_ at Fluoro.org are *much*
better with msie |
| [14:34] |
<PbN> |
IE
marquis -- what does it do? |
| [14:34] |
<noname> |
Jim,
what's the topic for today chat, Jim? |
| [14:34] |
<Surd> |
Steve
Duffy's great work. |
| [14:34] |
<steve_d> |
the
smileys non-sychronous with netscape |
| [14:35] |
<steve_d> |
marquees are scrollers, basically |
| [14:35] |
<PbN> |
ah,
like JS marquis functions -- thx |
| [14:36] |
<noname> |
steve, but marquees tag don't work with
Netscape, do they? |
| [14:37] |
<eliza> |
They
flash instead don't they? |
| [14:37] |
<steve_d> |
i
don't think so - unless v4.0 has taken them onboard as it
were |
| [14:38] |
<Surd> |
Steve, you seem to be an odd bird Brit with
your long standing and highly sophisticated attention to scripting
and net.art. You and Elizabeth and Peter... anyone else in England?
Cayley and Cheek, too... |
| [14:39] |
<eliza> |
Oh I
just spectate... but I love it. |
| [14:40] |
<steve_d> |
there
are other, i'm sure, peter manson, peter finch ... elizabeth, got
any more? |
| [14:40] |
<eliza> |
Artist called Simon Biggs, seen a couple of
lovely works of his |
| [14:41] |
<Cleo> |
did
you see the Circadia Project in Cauldron? some very script heavy
brits |
| [14:41] |
<steve_d> |
oh,
yes, for trace |
| [14:41] |
<eliza> |
(Influenced by John C I thought) |
| [14:41] |
<Surd> |
Didn't realize that was Brit, Claire.
|
| [14:41] |
<Cleo> |
Done
by two media students |
| [14:42] |
<eliza> |
I
haven't seen that, will visit, Claire. |
| [14:42] |
<PbN> |
heath
bunting, of course -- love his readme |
| [14:43] |
<steve_d> |
i
teach web authoring p/t and some of those students are really going
for it - i presume things will take off soon ... |
| [14:43] |
<Surd> |
Am I
mistaken, though, Steve and Elizabeth, in thinking that there is
nonetheless somehow a surprising shortage of British net.workers? Is
this just me? |
| [14:43] |
<Cleo> |
actually, it's all over the net of late i
see |
| [14:44] |
<eliza> |
We
are a much smaller country Jim! And we often still pay for web
access |
| [14:44] |
<Cleo> |
do
you have to pay for your time online, or can you make no cost local
calls? |
| [14:44] |
<Surd> |
But
even relative to Canada or Australia, it seems. |
| [14:44] |
<steve_d> |
i
discovered a few sites which seemed moribund but i'm always
looking |
| [14:45] |
<Cleo> |
that's a moola matter in Europe I've been
told |
| [14:45] |
<eliza> |
Free
is coming in. I'm still paying (because I think my ISP will protect
me from the Loveyou bug, etc) |
| [14:45] |
<steve_d> |
i'm
still paying too |
| [14:45] |
<noname> |
Steve, do you think that if we rely too much on
scripting (JS), the works will be hard to view due to the
incompatibility in the future browsers? Because, i think, technology
comes and goes.... |
| [14:45] |
<PbN> |
well,
I pay for ISP access, too, here in Canada |
| [14:45] |
<steve_d> |
free
is available thru portals - eughh |
| [14:46] |
<Surd> |
Is it
just a moola matter or is the british-poets list indicative of some
cultural aspect that resists literary net.art with a
vengeance? |
| [14:46] |
<Cleo> |
that
idea is frightening ... |
| [14:46] |
<steve_d> |
as i
said earlier, there may be a time when we need an [old]web
emulator |
| [14:46] |
<PbN> |
noname, that's a good point -- beyond code --
all of these techs generally, yes? |
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<jackdaw> |
jackdaw perches on tablelamp |
| [14:47] |
<noname> |
that's why my all-time-favorite works are
Ted's |
| [14:48] |
<PbN> |
watchit, tablelamp... messy bird...
|
| [14:48] |
|
*Cleo who is 'no name?' |
| [14:48] |
<steve_d> |
some
british-poets are possibly a little insecure about abandoning
"standard literacy" |
| [14:48] |
<eliza> |
Non
mainstream poetries in UK don't feel too strong; there is perhaps a
lack of confidence & the energy it brings, to do new
stuff... |
| [14:48] |
<noname> |
Hey
Claire, Hi, This is Duc Thuan..... |
| [14:48] |
<Cleo> |
hey,
sometimes i'm a little nervous about it too! |
| [14:49] |
|
*Cleo he's sublime isn't he?) |
| [14:50] |
<joecow> |
i
don't think it is necessary that all poets embrace webpoetry
|
| [14:50] |
<jackdaw> |
caw |
| [14:50] |
|
*Surd thinks Ted's the master of the
raster |
| [14:50] |
<PbN> |
joe
-- that's blasphemous! |
| [14:50] |
<PbN> |
:) |
| [14:50] |
<steve_d> |
i
agree joe |
| [14:50] |
<Cleo> |
moi
aussi |
| [14:51] |
<joecow> |
there's a little devil on my left
shoulder |
| [14:51] |
<PbN> |
or a
bird? |
| [14:51] |
<Cleo> |
each
form has it's own just medium for which it's suited |
| [14:51] |
<tablelamp> |
tablelamp is considering this all and does not
know what he thinks except that he is nervous and kind of a paper
sort of writer. this is like the paper is alive. |
| [14:51] |
<noname> |
The
problem will be solved, i think, we can make a standard browser for
viewing all the web poetry works we create |
| [14:52] |
<jackdaw> |
a
crow is a crow |
| [14:52] |
<joecow> |
has
to be a connection with that bird |
| [14:52] |
<Surd> |
Definitely. And part of the edge is in the
resistance you encounter along it, that tension. |
| [14:52] |
<Cleo> |
lol! |
| [14:52] |
<jackdaw> |
pecks
at tablelamp's paper edges |
| [14:53] |
<tablelamp> |
thank
you |
| [14:53] |
<PbN> |
tablelamp (strange nick) -- this is like the
paper is alive -- that's good! |
| [14:53] |
<noname> |
The
problem will be solved, i think, unless we can make a standard
browser for viewing all the web poetry works we create |
| [14:53] |
<Cleo> |
there's something a jorie graham (on paper)
gives me that is utterly different from what i get with web poetry,
and vice versa |
| [14:53] |
<joecow> |
i
think web as extension of paper publishing is one paradigm
|
| [14:54] |
<Cleo> |
each
has their place |
| [14:54] |
<PbN> |
noname, will this happen? |
| [14:54] |
<joecow> |
paradigm is the wrong word perhaps - but this
is how i see the web browser - while i think others see it as
evolving or creating a space for film, sound, etc |
| [14:55] |
<joecow> |
also
i think it's important to distinguish between web and web browser in
these discussions |
| [14:55] |
<Cleo> |
i
don't want a piece of the pie here tho, i want a new pie -
|
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<PbN> |
:) |
| [14:56] |
<joecow> |
? |
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<noname> |
Ted,
if we can write code, and i think there are folks in webartery can
do it, or we can make it a collaborative works b/t the ones who can
write code very well.... |
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<jackdaw> |
sing
sing |
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|
*Cleo {who's "tablelamp?" |
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<PbN> |
the
one with 4 legs, C |
| [14:57] |
<jackdaw> |
bitten, lacey lampshade |
| [14:57] |
|
*Cleo jackdaw refuses to tell me who s/he is
- |
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<noname> |
I've
been always dreaming of a simple browser that can view our own
works |
| [14:58] |
<jackdaw> |
i'm
morning glory |
| [14:58] |
|
*Cleo hrumph |
| [14:58] |
<jackdaw> |
the
ipomoea |
| [14:58] |
<tablelamp> |
table
lamp lives in the woods in Vermont, is 57, writes, does not have
electricty, heats with wood and just got a computer |
| [14:58] |
<Cleo> |
ah,
the poet from fop yes? |
| [14:58] |
<PbN> |
Duc
Thuan, yes... this is possible already with many do-it-yourself
browsers, yes? |
| [14:59] |
<joecow> |
tablelamp - battery-powered computer?
|
| [14:59] |
<jackdaw> |
morning glory is on fop |
| [14:59] |
<tablelamp> |
yep |
| [14:59] |
<Cleo> |
how
can you run a computer with no electricity? laptop? |
| [14:59] |
<tablelamp> |
yep |
| [14:59] |
<joecow> |
how
long you been living like this? |
| [14:59] |
<tablelamp> |
27
years |
| [14:59] |
<joecow> |
no
shit? |
| [14:59] |
<tablelamp> |
yep |
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<PbN> |
yep |
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<tablelamp> |
yep |
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<Cleo> |
do
you have a 'real' world name/ |
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<joecow> |
do
you live near burlington or other town? |
| [15:00] |
<Cleo> |
? |
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<noname> |
Ted,
really? Do you know any of it, Ted? |
| [15:00] |
<tablelamp> |
life
near montpelier |
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<Cleo> |
echo
echo ... |
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<jackdaw> |
i
have been there |
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<PbN> |
noname, well sure there are 'freeware' browsers
with source code and etc., but I've never looked into them
|
| [15:01] |
<tablelamp> |
yeah,
of course I have a real life name |
| [15:01] |
<jackdaw> |
but
montpelier france.... |
| [15:01] |
<PbN> |
If we
all build our own -- then what? |
| [15:01] |
<joecow> |
i'm
envious tablelamp |
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<eliza> |
I
have to go; goodbye all; good night Steve. |
| [15:01] |
<Cleo> |
what
about linux? |
| [15:01] |
<steve_d> |
thanks for coming, elizabeth |
| [15:01] |
<Cleo> |
bye
eliza - nice to meet you - |
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<tablelamp> |
damn
, everybody is leaving |
| [15:02] |
<PbN> |
C,
linux, DT, perhaps here? |
| [15:03] |
<Cleo> |
i'm
afraid i'm to into the bells and whistles kinetic element - adds a
life i always missed in my static work |
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<noname> |
Ted,
the visitors only need to download one time in their whole, they
don't have to upgrade or switch to higher version or b/t IE and
NS..... |
| [15:03] |
<PbN> |
I'm
not convinced a 'third browser' is really going to make anything
better... |
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<steve_d> |
before anyone else leaves i'd like to thank you
all for coming |
| [15:45] |
<Surd> |
Thanks very much, Steve. I've got to head out
soon... |
| [15:46] |
<steve_d> |
thanks, jim, thanks, everyone |
| [15:46] |
<geniwate> |
yes,
sorry steve. I've got to stop soon too |
| [15:47] |
<joecow> |
steve, I should probably have some dinner and
get back to bed. thanks for having me. i look forward to seeing more
of your work. |
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<steve_d> |
ok,
will do, claire, cheers |
| [15:49] |
<Surd> |
Thanks to all again. |
| [15:49] |
<Cleo> |
farewell - |
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<geniwate> |
tweet
- |
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<jackdaw> |
ruffles feathers in pleasure |
| [15:51] |
<Surd> |
Yes,
a good one... relaxed and thoughtful. |
| [15:51] |
<steve_d> |
be
careful with that beak |
| [15:51] |
<Cleo> |
ow! |
| [15:51] |
<jackdaw> |
couldn't resist |
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<Surd> |
OK,
I've got to do some stuff... bye bye |
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<Cleo> |
bye |
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