: BILL MARSH/ November 21th, 1999
			12:00 - 12:30 steve_d the emerald city [12:00] Surd Linux is the devil's word here. Surd Xunil steve_d hahaha [12:01] Surd unixl Surd lunix steve_d loonix steve_d i looked up loonix - its a user group thang [12:03] Surd Well, at work, we're moving to unix, solaris actually Surd because of scalability issues Surd around databases Surd and using Oracle rather than ms SQL Surd certainly unix [12:04] Surd has a heritage that is network oriented from the start steve_d i'm interested in the shell Surd scripts? steve_d the possibilities for text processing which are built in Surd yes. Surd cshell? [12:05] steve_d i'm not an expert on the shells but i believe most of them have sophisticated capabilites in that area echo sally sells them by the seashore Surd yes. [12:06] steve_d i've only used bash Surd uh, sally sells windows and wiccan widgets by the seashore. [12:07] echo sea hells echo :o) echo seashells [12:08] steve_d seashells on mountain tops echo i like the metaphors of sea [12:09] echo sea urchins echo and street urchins echo starfish gurus [12:10] echo sorry echo need coffee Surd Is the .com business phenom happening full tilt in England, Steve? echo :o) steve_d oh yes Surd All the billboards here now are for .coms Surd And advertising is full of it. [12:11] steve_d we do the supermarket shopping online and it is delivered Surd yes, here too. Surd Well I'm thinking we should start any minute now. Surd David, are you there? [12:12] David yep. still here. Surd Cool. Beth? Surd Let's wait for Beth. echo yes echo i'm here Surd OK Surd Welcome to Defib! *** steve_d has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer.) [12:13] Surd O lordy, these connections. David gee, bill. what'd you say? echo hahaha *** steve_d has joined #defib billseye the timing couldn't have been more perfect -- i can't stop laughing [12:14] Surd Yes, it's Surd magic Surd now you see em echo welcome to defib...now go home Surd now you don't. billseye haha billseye etc. *** tompur has joined #defib Surd Anyway Surd I'm looking forward steve_d sorry, isp two hour limit this time Surd to discussing your work [12:15] echo hi tom! tompur yo! *** jfk has joined #defib Surd and sunbrella.net, Bill. Surd Well well. Surd Hello Joseph. echo hey! tompur dang Surd Bill, [12:16] Surd let's start out with sunbrella.net, yes? billseye good idea -- hi all echo please Surd http://www.sunbrella.net echo i really want to know echo more about echo bill'swork echo ! [12:17] Surd Sunbrella is a good place to start on that... it's all there. billseye have folks seen the site? or can you get to it now? Surd So what is sunbrella.net, Bill? Surd Click on the link I typed. tompur I'm going as we speak . . . [12:18] echo brb tompur hey! Nice planet :-) David Bill, what are the differences among your pages: btheater, zazil, backlight. billseye right now, sunbrella.net is a "platform" for different kinds of work, some collaborative, some individual, but for the most part we're interested in streaming different kinds of "alternative" content off the main page there (note all the ""s!) [12:19] Surd Meow press is print? [12:20] billseye "btheater" is my site / PaperBrain is my paper press -- Meow belongs to one of the Sunbrella folks, Joel Kuszai / Zazil is going to be a web version of a paper zine we're doing / backlight is a gallery -- check it out billseye "utilities" right now is just links -- we're hoping to put up educational content for our students (the people involved in sunbrella are for the most part teachers) [12:21] David Oh, so you're using it in course work. [12:22] tompur oops . . . I've got to download a shockwave plugin billseye yes, for example, i start a class in 3D modeling tomorrow so i'll periodically put stuff up for students -- but we're hoping to one day have tutorials, maybe an on-line reader for writing students -- it's a bit raw at this point *** whip has joined #defib *** whip has left #defib David nice talkin, whip. [12:23] billseye right, i was hoping to have a chance to warn folks that the video requires RealPlayer and some of the installations in "btheater" require Shockwave billseye that whip was really crackin! tompur <insert whip sound here> Surd You publish Paper Brain, bill, and your website... are you becoming a publisher broadcaster? [12:24] Surd a publicaster or broadlisher? tompur wow . . . so these are all teachers of Computer Art Design? billseye a public blister? -- getting nasty -- Surd ha tompur hehehe billseye teachers of writing, vis art and media design, right now (i do the first and third) [12:25] tompur kewl tompur 87% complete on download . . . beep . . . beep . . . beep Surd Typically with web projects Surd you have some sort of vision for it Surd but work with what you have [12:26] Surd in the early going billseye but re: publishing -- we're trying to work from the premise that paper and web publishing share common elements, or at least we're holding on to the idea, rather than treating the web as an entirely "different" medium Surd and it takes at least a year to swing it into the vision, yes? billseye that seems to be the rate of development, yes echo tpur..check out 'videas' [12:27] jfk bill, i notice that you have published john olson's work. He's a fine poet here in seattle the last i knew of him. how did you connect with him and how has his work you published been doing? tompur k . . . lemme finish with backlight *** tom has joined #defib [12:28] echo tom bell? echo bell? billseye he was recommended by Tucson poet Dan Featherston, who was the first i published -- distribution is a problem, getting the word out steve_d i know some people see print publishing as socially devisive or elitist and others see it as a form of paricitism on writing - how do you see it? billseye paricitism? [12:29] steve_d sorry, parasitism David It's certainly easier to get published on the web, but it's just as hard to get attention. [12:30] billseye steve, i don't see it as any of those things, but i guess it can be *** DISGRUNTLED has joined #defib
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