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steve_d |
i think that often with
print publishing the review system takes over and art is conscripted
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echo |
i think that videa bridges
the gap in some fashion |
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echo |
between |
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echo |
traditional print |
| [12:32] |
disgruntled |
mIEKAL here, been fighting
with my computer.... |
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echo |
and the machine |
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echo |
or hypertext |
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Surd |
Welcome, Miekal. |
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billseye |
miekal, beautiful gesture
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jfk |
what i see right now is not
particularly divisive either now or if it were in print. poetry in
print and poetry on the web/screen are probably distinctive genres
(?) about to go different ways into tomorrow. I'm interested if the
web will be used to market poetry in print or to develop new poetry
new poetics new politics. That's why i was wondering about the
reception of Olson's work |
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disgruntled |
sorry to pull in so late...
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echo |
graceful as always,
miekal...:o) |
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billseye |
beth, i was real interested
in (and excited by) the common etymologies of "video" and "idea"
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| [12:33] |
disgruntled |
jfk be whom? |
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echo |
well, its interesting you
should say that |
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jfk |
Joe Keppler |
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disgruntled |
ah |
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echo |
being the mogli that i am
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echo |
i see that too |
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billseye |
joseph -- i agree -- and
what's telling about (real) small press poetry publishing is that
john's book really hasn't been "received" at all -- also due to slow
marketing on my part, i'm sure |
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disgruntled |
why does poetry have to be
"marketed" at all? |
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David |
bill, it looks as though
you're doing both: marketing print and developing new poetics.
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| [12:35] |
David |
I don't see them as being
mutually exclusive. |
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echo |
audience, miekal |
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disgruntled |
Ive always stayed out of
the marketing realm, Im more comfortable networking & getting
the word out in any way-- |
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tompur |
backlight causes happy
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Surd |
Perhaps marketed in the
sense of just put out into the market of ideas as well as places
where poetry is obtained. |
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echo |
yes, and you do that very
well |
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billseye |
bad word choice -- meant
that in the year or two i've been doing it i haven't worked hard
enough to "get the word out" |
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David |
guerilla marketing, then.
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disgruntled |
marketing = commercialism
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echo |
you lept into the machine
age |
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tompur |
give up the props to Mr.
Strasser! |
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echo |
yes..(sympathy) |
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echo |
i understand |
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disgruntled |
hey R |
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echo |
reiner! |
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reiner |
hi all |
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Surd |
Hi Reiner. |
| [12:37] |
disgruntled |
I see a lot of my
activities not having an econmic impact or even selling a lot of
books--tho all my books are available for whoever wants to seek them
out |
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Surd |
I am most familiar with
your work as a new media poet, Bill, and as a critic. Is that where
you see yourself as being most active? |
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echo |
but if we dont cultivate an
audience..ah..you just said it, miekal |
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billseye |
reiner, welcome to de fib
room |
| [12:38] |
reiner |
thanx ...... |
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David |
where de fibbing goes on
and on |
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disgruntled |
but I do hope that my
actions will impact the future of literature & media, it just
may take a couple 100 years-- |
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tompur |
please direct me to videa
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echo |
one more thing , then i
will be quiet |
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echo |
miekal |
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disgruntled |
which is why we should all
upload ourselves into avatar presences which carry on after we're
long gone. |
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echo |
some are uncomfortable with
approaching the poet or artist |
| [12:39] |
tompur |
yes! Avatars! |
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billseye |
skating on a lot of
different surfaces right now -- the "plate's too full" metaphor has
been used a lot among friends -- like others here, i'm trying to
integrate a few things: web writing, critical work on same,
e-publishing, paper publishing, plus the Sunbrella manifold |
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echo |
groan |
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echo |
oh, man |
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disgruntled |
we can't change people, we
can only create access to our works. |
| [12:40] |
echo |
i was wondering when that
one would |
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tom |
i missed the reference to
Olson? and i have to leave soon due to family problems. sorry |
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echo |
come home to you , tpur
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tompur |
I be at de' sunbrella home
ms. garrisson |
| [12:41] |
Surd |
So sunbrella is an attempt
to pull your various evil aims together? |
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billseye |
miekal's right on |
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tompur |
brb . . . must close
browsers to install/start shockwave . . . |
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disgruntled |
I only speak from the last
20 years of experience, of hoping that poetry would be of interest
to everyone, but in reality only a small percentage |
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steve_d |
poetry as text |
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David |
It's not necessarily a
question of changing people. More a matter of |
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disgruntled |
& an even smaller
percentage of people interested in poetry are interested in the
advance guard of it. |
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billseye |
i think so -- trying to
move out to the next accretion, making the "bill" work part of a
larger plan -- also, should mention, we're hoping to make the
Sunbrella Network a local real-world thing too, with maybe readings,
workshops, a print shop (dream!), here in San Diego CA |
| [12:43] |
disgruntled |
do you have a physcial
space, Bill?> |
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David |
presenting the work so that
your audience will want to seek it out. |
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disgruntled |
(hoping typos get editing
in the transcriiiiipppppttts) |
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billseye |
not yet, miekal -- no
pjsyikl psaec :) |
| [12:44] |
disgruntled |
are you hooked up with
harry polkinhorn's activities at all? |
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billseye |
glad you mentioned harry p
-- i've had a few exchanges via email but nothing's come of it -- i
want to invite him to a symposium we're having next year at my
school on vis art / vis po -- but no personal contact yet, alas
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disgruntled |
he has a massive connection
to the spanish speaking visual verbal world, |
| [12:46] |
Surd |
Is he in San Diego? |
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jfk |
bill, great plans that seem
to come from a love of poetry, even a love for the poverty of
poetry, and the web may change that poverty and that love.... what
if your work, like some .com ipo went spectacluarly popular and
commercially successful? |
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disgruntled |
for those that don't know
harry's work he's a poet, visual poet, does sound poetry, teaches at
San Diego State |
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disgruntled |
our press has published a
few things by him. |
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billseye |
i'd probably be sued by the
folks who run "sunbrella.com", which is a ... you guessed it ... a
sunbrella manufacturer |
| [12:47] |
Surd |
haha |
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Surd |
How would you characterize
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Surd |
your critical endeavors
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Surd |
Bill, what are you trying
to do there? |
| [12:48] |
David |
No chance of a tie-in?
Vizpo on a sunbrella? |
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billseye |
but thanks, joseph -- i
think if publishers start working the various media now at our
disposal, it can do good for poetry overall |
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tom |
bye all |
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echo |
tpur, check the archive of
work, go to videas |
| [12:49] |
Surd |
See you, Tom, hope it works
out OK. |
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tompur |
k beth |
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echo |
by tom bell |
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reiner |
you have to go tom ? have a
nice day |
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tompur |
by t bell |
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billseye |
critical endeavors? find
connection points for what's going on, not to reify or define, but
to |
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billseye |
bye tom! thanks for
stopping by |
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echo |
:o) |
| [12:50] |
echo |
i see bills work |
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echo |
as bridges |
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billseye |
...to ask some questions
about the work, after the work, for the work (insert bgsound: stars
& stripes) |
| [12:51] |
Surd |
About the larger contexts
of the work, also, I note. |
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Surd |
The media |
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Surd |
the audience |
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Surd |
the relation to the
technology |
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Surd |
the cognitive changes that
might be associated |
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Surd |
with this new media. |
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Surd |
What else? |
| [12:52] |
billseye |
what goes on "between" has
always been interesting to me -- the seams -- so there's action
between print and web, action between visual and verbal or graphic
and vocal, action between practice and theory |
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jfk |
bill, doing good for poets
means what to you? |
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echo |
hmm..i state, as always,
that the audience |
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echo |
is the key here |
| [12:53] |
tompur |
yeah bill . . . that moment
when a cell divides when mitochondria and cell parts pull apart?
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David |
I was impressed with the
interaction between the wave and the TV programming |
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tompur |
goop going one way and the
other . . . the seam . . . the wound |
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Surd |
Considering the elements of
poetics and the relations between them? |
| [12:54] |
David |
in "Tidal Vision". Terrific
contrast between the eternal and the ephemeral. |
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tompur |
the wound and the bandaid?
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echo |
;o) |
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Surd |
New media poses new or at
least disguised elements and new or disguised relations between
them. |
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tompur |
sorry . . . throwing out
too many metaphors |
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billseye |
joseph, don't know if i
would phrase it in terms of "doing good for poets" -- maybe trying
to do good for poetry -- but i started Paper Brain with the
intention of publishing work that seemed to me like it should be
read and doing what i could to get it out there |
| [12:56] |
echo |
but how can the work be
seperated from the poet? |
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echo |
naive question # 1 |
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disgruntled |
I'm interested in the
unspoken connections between small press movement of the 70s-80s
& what I feel is a rematerialization of the same energy on the
net |
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disgruntled |
now in the last few years.
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Surd |
Hi Claire. |
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echo |
hi Claire! |
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tompur |
yo claire |
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Djuna |
hello! |
| [12:57] |
reiner |
hello claire |
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billseye |
hardly naive! -- miekal,
i'm always interested in what you have to say about that, on Poetics
and elsewhere |
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tompur |
more estrogen is good
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Djuna |
lol! |
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tompur |
;-) |
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billseye |
hello Claire -- btw,
"zazil" is Mayan for "clear" ;) |
| [12:58] |
tompur |
ahhhh . . . I was going to
ask about that too |
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jfk |
bill, to quote george
oppen: "Obssessed, bewildered//By the shipwreck/Of the singular//We
have chosen the meaning/Of being numerous" Is doing good for poetry
possible? How? |
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Djuna |
and how is our welcome
guest? |
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disgruntled |
how do you answer yr own
question joe? |
| [12:59] |
disgruntled |
I have difficulties getting
past knowing what is good or bad |
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jfk |
by my life |
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disgruntled |
you mean by the actions of
yr life? |
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