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echo |
bows to joe, gesture of
palms together |
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Djuna |
poetry ... |
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echo |
is life |
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reiner |
no ... |
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David |
do you make a distinction
between good for poetry, and good for a poet? |
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disgruntled |
poetry is life approaching
poetry |
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Surd |
Do you mean, Joe, how do we
further the art? |
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billseye |
i have a hard time with
"doing good for" too -- if i introduced that terminology, i
apologize -- it's shorthand for keeping busy with what you love, i'd
say |
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disgruntled |
ah Desire! |
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echo |
we are wildly today |
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echo |
enter cybele |
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Surd |
We are certainly numerous
today. |
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echo |
may i suggest |
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echo |
focus on one piece |
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echo |
i am getting lost |
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billseye |
"<disgruntled> poetry
is life" (m. and) ;) |
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echo |
please? |
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Surd |
Well, there are some
interesting questions and issues open right now. |
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echo |
yes |
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echo |
can we take one example
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echo |
and relate these questions?
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billseye |
it is a bit like dealing
blackjack here -- anyone else see that? |
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echo |
just a suggestion |
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Surd |
Howso, Bill? |
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reiner |
yes bill ;) |
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echo |
yes |
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billseye |
keeping different hands
going |
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tompur |
yo to the acid influx!
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Surd |
ha |
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acidburn |
hello |
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reiner |
hey |
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echo |
hi, you are? |
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acidburn |
so where are you from??
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tompur |
from the planet webartery
of course |
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echo |
webarterians |
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jfk |
bill, no apologies
necessary for doing good as a practice and a choice of words. i've
only just peeked at your site and can see that you're concerned with
both the art and the presentation of it. doing good seems to mean to
deliver the work nicely to a basically disinterested world, no?
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Surd |
Well there's the whole
question of how a venture in publishing and writing and broadcasting
and criticism etc, what we can do this way to further the art.
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acidburn |
what galaxy??? no really...
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David |
hi, acidbum. We're talking
about the influences of the web on poetry and art in general. |
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tompur |
this is a general
discussion not an open chat |
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tompur |
sometimes |
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disgruntled |
joe I think good, if one
has to use such terms, has more to do with one's life, just as you
were saying. |
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echo |
would seem the world is
disinterested |
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acidburn |
oh like classical poerty i
like Neruda -- have you ever read him?? |
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Surd |
Read first please acidburn.
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echo |
but its because of the
definition of poetry to the street urchins |
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echo |
like myself |
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steve_d |
poetry has spent too long
on the page |
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echo |
the world has a strange
idea of poetry |
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billseye |
the world according to
acidburn |
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echo |
but |
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jfk |
of being numerous on the
web does a lot of good, let's vote, eh? |
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echo |
i think there is hope
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Djuna |
i think that we have to
watch out - i.e., because any one can now 'publish,' there's a hell
of a lot of garbage out there called 'poetry' |
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echo |
yes, it does, joe |
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tompur |
neruda on the web . . .
what'd that be like? you could compare altavista translations to
bly's translations . . ehehe |
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echo |
it would be like the sea
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disgruntled |
claire, that has always
been true in the small press movement & the zine revolution
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steve_d |
lots of garbage in books
too |
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echo |
code written on a wall
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echo |
yes |
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echo |
but |
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Surd |
Rather than concentrating
on poetry and literature and those worlds or small press etc., I try
to see our Web works in relation to the Web and the emerging and
remediated aspects thereof. |
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David |
grafitti code...nice!
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echo |
that's the point |
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tompur |
one man's garbage is
another's . . . blank |
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billseye |
i think publishing in
general is an invitation to explore -- it's interesting how with
paper you have to get the work out there, but on the web, you have
to get the readers *in there*, ie, to visit the site -- is the world
disinterested or distracted? |
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Djuna |
(sorry: 'thunderhead of
judgement' here [she read too much banal blather] |
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Surd |
In relation to the larger
culture, not simply speaking within the literary worlds. |
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echo |
banal blather..see my
work:o) |
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tompur |
I just wish I could get
published anywhere . . . ;-) |
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Djuna |
above: you're right, it was
just a reaction to last night's surfing |
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jfk |
tom, why? |
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disgruntled |
publish yr self tom,
there's probably a copy shop within walking distance of you. |
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tompur |
Increase the circle . . . I
was talking with beth about Maslow's hierarchy of needs last night
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tompur |
is it my noose? |
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echo |
whisper |
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tompur |
I've done that . . .publish
myself . . . and it wasn't as fulfilling |
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tompur |
as I imagine |
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disgruntled |
Ive had the opposite
experience more often |
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tompur |
explain? |
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disgruntled |
when I publish my own
works, I have much more control over presentation |
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disgruntled |
editing, content, etc.
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disgruntled |
the last couple cd-rom
projects I've been on, I can't even read them from my own computer.
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tompur |
ahhh i c |
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reiner |
albany :) |
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disgruntled |
this is especially what I
think liberating about web presentations... |
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David |
Does anyone imagine that
the audience for advanced work will ever be large? |
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disgruntled |
that we get beyond the
notion of being published by someone -- |
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echo |
oh yes...! |
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disgruntled |
as if that means something
for the resume... |
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billseye |
self-publishing is frowned
upon, for a lot of reasons mostly tied to fetishization of
publishing -- i've always liked miekal's notion of "assuming control
of one's work" -- like painters do with their work, for example
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tompur |
large . . . in depth . . .
or in width? |
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disgruntled |
Im not that utopian david
k, that's a hard one to imagine... |
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David |
in number. |
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Djuna |
bill, a couple of months
ago I purchased a hard-copy book from Paper Brain press of a work
you did in collaboration over the web with Sheila Murphy - |
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tompur |
generation to generation or
in the now |
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echo |
if you work with children,
you will see that it's not that far off |
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echo |
considering the ways |
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disgruntled |
go sheila murphy. |
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echo |
language and memory |
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Djuna |
can you talk about that?
the experience of creating in the wired? |
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steve_d |
must go - duty calls -
thanx everyone ... |
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echo |
and the world is changing
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jfk |
bill, please try to explain
why you are doing (i won't write good) what you are doing. your work
with print and screen enables poets and others to see and to sample.
do you also want what jim is saying to further the art? |
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echo |
bye steve! |
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Surd |
Thanks, Steve. |
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reiner |
bye |
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steve_d |
gone me |
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tompur |
yo steve! lata' |
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disgruntled |
seeyasteved |
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billseye |
actually, that was (bye
Steve) Peter Ganick and Sheila E. |
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billseye |
i like the idea of the Web
as a broadcast medium |
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disgruntled |
<interactive>
broadcast medium |
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Djuna |
oh lord - did I stichk my
foot in it or what? sorry? |
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disgruntled |
claire I do that all the
time, mix up authors in my head.. |
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Djuna |
I met them (their art) all
at once, so |
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echo |
sheila and peter have
written a lot of books together, sometimes they seem seamless in
these collabs |
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echo |
:o) |
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billseye |
if you have RealPlayer
(might need G2 but not sure), you can take a look at "TidalVision"
which is just a hint of what we'd like to do with Sunbrella -- this
is actually an abridged version of the video sculpture that i and my
friend/collaborator (Octavia Davis) presented at Dig Arts and
Culture in Atlanta last month |
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Surd |
url? |
| [13:21] |
echo |
his (peter's) machine
doesn't accept cookies, so he couldn't stay on webartery or be
here.. |
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billseye |
Claire, please don't stich
your foot ;) |
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Djuna |
lol! |
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David |
bill, what do you think
about the difference between side-by-side transmission |
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disgruntled |
is there anyway to back
channel here? |
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billseye |
i liked the murphy/ganick
thing (i admit) because it started in email -- the concept appeals
to me, but as far as the book goes, i don't think it matters -- and
also of course because it was collaborative -- and sheila and peter
seam so alike in their writing |
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David |
and the overlapped images
that you used in the web version? |
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echo |
interesting to me, that
their work, in email |
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disgruntled |
thks |
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echo |
and the one they wrote
together in irl this summer, montana grill |
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disgruntled |
can you send me the hard
disk tool kit |
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echo |
isn't much different |
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billseye |
i don't think this version
is very good -- image quality etc. -- the side-by-side, we found,
drew people's attention away from the chaotic dispersion of the
surfing and "into" the waves -- that's missing here |
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echo |
when we consider the ways
that this medium can distort the word |
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David |
what about the scale
difference? |
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jfk |
distort the word distort
the mind |
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Djuna |
i'm watching tidal vision -
TOO cool! |
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echo |
yes. it stretches the mind
in different thought patterns |
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billseye |
there's a text statement
(on the main sunbrella page) that mentions framing and feeding back
the broadcast -- i think changing *normal* scale (ie, not a 15" TV)
helps that -- also a good excuse for keeping file size small! |
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echo |
but all writing does that
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David |
I thought the overlap
worked well. It fused the ideas in a way that the side-by-side may
not have. |
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billseye |
yeah, david -- the fusion i
like as a trade for the conflict you'd see in the other version
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reiner |
... cannot look at the
realaudio --- bad connection --- sorry |
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billseye |
folks: nature calls, back
in a minute... |
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echo |
we had to know that,
bill:o) |
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