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Djuna |
hello cybele(?) |
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mIEKAL |
kicked out when I tried to
backchannel |
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billseye |
funny, with DISGRUNTLED
gone, i feel more at ease -- just a word thing, miekal, nothing
personal ;) |
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Surd |
I'm looking at Tidal Vision
also. |
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mIEKAL |
originally I wrote in
DISGRUNTLED INTERNET USER, but it only displayed the first letters.
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billseye |
sorry beth -- but in the
context of "TidalVision," and with all that ebb & flow ...
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mIEKAL |
I'm wrestling with
technology today. |
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David |
the change of frame is
interesting. I think it works best when it's small. |
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Djuna |
bill, can you talk about
this piece? where does it come from? |
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mIEKAL |
give me the url youse is
looking at, I can't run g2 tho |
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echo |
teasing you, bill:o) |
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Surd |
http://www.sunbrella.net, link from there
directly. |
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billseye |
miekal, was thinking of you
when putting all this up -- realizing you can't view it -- stay
tuned for narrative voice-over... |
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David |
If it were big, like a Bill
Viola, the experience would be so immersive that we wouldn't catch
the frame-in-frame. |
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echo |
my connection is too lousy
to view |
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billseye |
"TidalVision" started with
the idea of sampling TV off local cable (San Diego) every day at the
time of the low and hi tide markers (one minute at each point, about
4 samples per day), during the entire summer of 99 -- my
friend/partner and i went through and took 5-10 second chunks and
spliced them together, then laid the whole thing next to this
repeating shore image -- so, on the right, ocean tide, on the right,
frantic "channel surfing" |
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tompur |
moofy got me |
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Surd |
Yes, mine garbles it quite
badly also. |
| [13:34] |
echo |
it won't run, too slow a
speed |
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echo |
uswest really blows...:o(
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Surd |
What emerged for you out of
that sampling, Bill? |
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billseye |
that would be the "other
right"... -- ocean image on the right, tv samples on the left |
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David |
maybe you could do an
animated gif version |
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Surd |
I did that too for radio,
really instructive. |
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Djuna |
hmm, I'm only seeing one
screen |
| [13:35] |
Surd |
What recurred or
highlighted itself? |
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David |
the web version is two
images superimposed, claire |
| [13:36] |
billseye |
claire, should only be one
screen -- i was talking about the original piece -- then, for the
web, i condensed it to 6 minutes, really just pulling segments that
i liked and that were particularly "stressing" since the emerging
theme seemed to be a lot about stress -- and then superimposed the
two |
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Djuna |
that I got a sense of -
actually I was very enthralled by that manipulation of the image -
what's the center?, what am I seeing?, what do I want? |
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billseye |
jim, a lot of televangelism
and weight-loss programs and ads |
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David |
and the channels were
chosen randomly? |
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billseye |
yes, david, using a random
# generator i found on the Web |
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Djuna |
culture (pop) vs. the world
.. |
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echo |
i say 'poop culture' |
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billseye |
the plan is to run more
streaming audio and video off this main page -- working with Claire
right now to install a piece (what we saw last week, Claire, or a
new version) incorporating html and real streaming |
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tompur |
Tidal Vison is a really
cool idea . . . What if you could somehow view a surfaholic's web
browser unbeknownst to them and do a (W)eb (E)bb (B)eacon . . . and
show those clips from a web browser along side the tides . . . did
that make sense? |
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echo |
yes! |
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echo |
it rocks! |
| [13:39] |
Surd |
Yes, when I sampled I noted
the concentration on money, not just in the types of programs you
mentioned. |
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billseye |
and money too, yes,
everywhere |
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tompur |
certainly sounds shifty
enough, eh beth? |
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echo |
nice shot! umph...take that
tpur! |
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tompur |
<whap> ouch |
| [13:41] |
Surd |
Do you want to move to
another piece of yours, Bill? |
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reiner |
... have to leave .... time
to sleep here .... see you .... reiner ..... ciao |
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Surd |
Bye, Reiner! |
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tompur |
bye reiner |
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mIEKAL |
bye reiner. |
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David |
...and the frenetic pace of
the commercial programs |
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David |
adios amigo |
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Djuna |
so Bill, you mean/want to
concentrate on broadcast art as opposed spoken word/audio poetry?
That seems all it's really been used for by web artists (that I've
seen) |
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billseye |
see you reiner -- jim,
sure, maybe something in the "works" section of "btheater" -- http://www.sunbrella.net/btheater/pastworks.html
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mIEKAL |
claire, doesn't spoken work
fit within the notion of broadcast art? |
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mIEKAL |
in your mind |
| [13:43] |
Djuna |
this is really rich because
it's a short film that has an intimacy and immediacy that is lacking
on the big screen - I feel closer, shall we say |
| [13:44] |
Djuna |
but, though I don't really
know much about it, isn't that written first - as for another
media(um) initially, and later rendered into sound? |
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billseye |
right, claire -- i have
nothing against using the stream for spoken word, which (why not) is
another way to "get it out there" -- but i'm personally interested
in playing against TV as the dominant broadcast medium, and with
this streaming technology we have opportunities for that -- so, i'm
more interested in using it for this kind of broadcast feedback than
for archiving recordings of spoken word, for example -- though at
the same time, we're planning to put up video samples from our local
"Beyond the Page" reading series |
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Djuna |
like making print text into
hypertext vs. hypertext composed for the medium itself. |
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Djuna |
correct me if I'm wrong
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| [13:45] |
echo |
no wrong here, claire, just
dif. views |
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Surd |
Sampling and such
concatenation can really highlight and expose a bigger TV picture.
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| [13:46] |
David |
yeah, TV is a good source
of material. And we have the tools now to play with it. |
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mIEKAL |
bill, have you found any
software which allows one to perform live using a microphone, midi,
etc that works well for you. |
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Djuna |
(I have to learn about this
...) |
| [13:47] |
mIEKAL |
a media mixing console, so
to speak.. |
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Surd |
I found that, in doing
radio, to sample the sounds of TV and then work with it for radio
introduced a bizarrely rich soundscape into radio... |
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billseye |
meaning a spoken word
recording is just that -- a rebroadcast -- it's not perfect, but i'd
like what we put up to be primary somehow, not a re-showing of
something else -- though at the same time it does appropriate a
foregone signal -- that's why i prefer the term broadcast-feedback
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Djuna |
it's such an antipathy
after the last few days of experiencing Bill's "Drops" |
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billseye |
i haven't tried it, but
from what i understand, with the free RealProducer you can run a
live broadcast using nothing but a computer mike -- the problem is
(1) quality and (2) having or finding a server to serve the stuff
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echo |
what about telepoetics,
bill? |
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Surd |
To take one medium and work
with parts of it in another can be very far from shovelware. |
| [13:49] |
billseye |
go on, beth... |
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echo |
ok.. |
| [13:50] |
echo |
well, kurt and martha
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echo |
and electrolit |
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echo |
in canada are doing |
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echo |
those live connectiuons
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echo |
across the continents
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echo |
live video |
| [13:51] |
echo |
like video conferencing
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echo |
poetics |
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echo |
. |
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Surd |
It is video conferencing.
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echo |
would this be something to
explore? |
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mIEKAL |
beth, can any browser
receive it or what do you need to see it? |
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echo |
or am i way off base here?
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Surd |
Special software and
hardware. |
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echo |
remember i'm a heathen to
tech |
| [13:52] |
echo |
if you are interested,
miekal |
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Djuna |
it doesn't seem the
technology is really up to it yet - I tried to view a Derrida talk
in Australia, and i actually saw/heard about 15 minutes out of hours
of talk. |
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echo |
will dig around |
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Surd |
Only the participating
hookups participate, can't get it through a browser. |
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echo |
yes |
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mIEKAL |
ah |
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echo |
but there has been talk of
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echo |
putting something in place
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echo |
to change that |
| [13:53] |
David |
what about something lo
tech with web cams? |
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billseye |
electrolite sounds cool --
seems to be a lot of room for play in this area |
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echo |
there you go...! |
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mIEKAL |
I'd be happy to do
something like stream an ascii film thru a chat like this... |
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echo |
what a great idea! |
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Surd |
You can do that, actually.
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echo |
web cams.. |
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billseye |
miekal, i remember you
mentioning that -- how would that work? |
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Surd |
If you have mIRC or Ircle.
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mIEKAL |
why couldn't it be put thru
this chat the way it is ? |
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Surd |
it can. |
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Surd |
If it's a .txt file. |
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echo |
web cms? |
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Djuna |
I'm still curious about the
'drops'... |
| [13:55] |
mIEKAL |
so you input a text file?
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Surd |
Yes, what are you doing
with 'drops', Bill? |
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Surd |
Yes, Miekal. |
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mIEKAL |
& could we all make an
ascii montage by input such files? |
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Surd |
yes. |
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Djuna |
they are so ... harmonious
amidst the cacaphony of web "flash" |
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tompur |
moofy is after me today
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| [13:56] |
mIEKAL |
ewww, claire, you got me..
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billseye |
oh, sorry claire -- not
wanting to say much about it right now in the early going, but i'm
thinking of the "drops" sequence as a different kind of streaming, i
guess -- or a different kind of "dynamic html", behaviors slowed
down, over time -- a lot depends on response, which i'm getting some
of ;) -- also, obviously, it's (e)mail art |
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Surd |
Are you writing them as you
go? |
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billseye |
the wise make no
promises... |
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David |
you're planning, what, 81
episodes? How did you arrive at that? |
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Surd |
3 cubed |
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