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<LossGlazier> |
I think it's good from a historical point of view but also
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<LossGlazier> |
if you consider this activity all together it means
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<LossGlazier> |
that there's really a body of interesting stuff happening.
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<Cleo> |
we are carrying on a 'tradition' today yes?
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<LossGlazier> |
It's good to get the word out. The last few conferences I've been to, for example,
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<LossGlazier> |
taking academics. They know they should be interested and they are
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<LossGlazier> |
but they don't know what's out there.
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<LossGlazier> |
or here
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<PbN> |
maybe a tradition of creating new traditions, Claire?
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<Cleo> |
exactly!
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<LossGlazier> |
It's the same with the EPC features, the idea of making this stuff available.
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<Jim> |
Have you read Memory Trade--a prehistory of cyberspace, by Darren Tofts, Loss?
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<Jim> |
He also argues the continuity from pre-web to the web.
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<Jim> |
He's an aussie academic, chair of a communications dept. there.
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<LossGlazier> |
Sound interesting, Jim.
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<PbN> |
You have done a remarkable job with EPC. Loss
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<PbN> |
A tremendous resource
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<PbN> |
thank you!
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<cfunk> |
Doesn't Bolter discuss this?
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<Cleo> |
breathing life into the word 'tradition' with its staid connotations
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<Jim> |
No doubt.
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<LossGlazier> |
Thanks PbN.
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<Jim> |
The more general argument is that rather than determining the zeit, technology follows the zeit.
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<PbN> |
I must fly, too, but thank you all today and Loss, thank you for the insight... all best...
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<LossGlazier> |
Bye PbN!
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<Jim> |
Thanks, Ted.
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<Cleo> |
yes loss, this is such an amazing resource and huge undertaking [with success!] - I bow to you.
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<PbN> |
toodles!
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<LossGlazier> |
Thanks much.
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<Cleo> |
especially because it bridges such a gap between traditions/means -
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<Cleo> |
it erases their borders
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<Jim> |
So that Brian Lennon and some others could write about web technology as posing literalizations of what previously was conceptual.
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<cfunk> |
or static
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<LossGlazier> |
That might be a little dangerous, I'd say.
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<Jim> |
How so?
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<LossGlazier> |
I always get nervous when a new technology is supposed to realize earlier theory.
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<Jim> |
Yes, if it does not open to the new but insists on framing it all as a reiteration.
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<LossGlazier> |
Because it has its own issues and to think that oh this is what Ezra Pound meant might mean you're not looking at it with all the questions you should.
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<LossGlazier> |
It's a possibility anyway.
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<Jim> |
Definitely.
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<Jim> |
But even if technology follows rather than determines the zeit
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<Jim> |
the extensions of ourselves
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<Jim> |
and of humanity
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<Jim> |
that technologies represent
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<Jim> |
are crucial in the formulation
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<Jim> |
of the next round.
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<LossGlazier> |
what do you mean by "zeit" here?
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<Cleo> |
a tendency i have definitely noted with the web loss, to disparage and discredit while appropriating and utilizing the old
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<Jim> |
For instance, we can consider the pomo ideals of decentralization
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<Jim> |
of smaller political and other social units
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<Jim> |
'empowering' where the decisions need to be made, by those who have the info to make them.
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<LossGlazier> |
yes that's interesting
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<cfunk> |
(pardon the interruption)--baby's waking i must go--
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<LossGlazier> |
chris glad you could make it
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<cfunk> |
sword cabbage nickel lettuce juice to you all
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<Cleo> |
bye cf
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<cfunk> |
l8r
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<Jim> |
Thanks, Chris.
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<Cleo> |
you too
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<LossGlazier> |
Jennifer!
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<jley> |
rats ... I am so late
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<jley> |
I am soooo sorry
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<Jim> |
Hi Jen, no prob.
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<jley> |
i have a new computer and trying to keep the software straight is nuts
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<jley> |
Loss how are you??
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<LossGlazier> |
Good.
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<Jim> |
We were discussing Loss's upcoming book, Jen.
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<jley> |
ahh when is it due out??
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<LossGlazier> |
in one year
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<Jim> |
Anything else you want to say about the book, Loss? And are there any url's out there concerning it?
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<jley> |
that must feel strange with the speed of e work
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<LossGlazier> |
it's like being shot by a tranquilizer gun
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<jley> |
hehe
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<LossGlazier> |
here i'm told hurry up get it in finish it finalize it update references and stats then BAM
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<LossGlazier> |
a year
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<LossGlazier> |
but that's a kind of challenge
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<jley> |
so they suddenly put the brakes on?
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<jley> |
it must be ... you really have to think about what will stay relevant
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<LossGlazier> |
no, that's the speedy version for an academic press
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<jley> |
is it an overview of the field? theory?
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<Jim> |
brb
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<LossGlazier> |
yes, write about concepts and ideas rather than specific events
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<jley> |
that makes it easier then
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<LossGlazier> |
i would say it does these things:
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<LossGlazier> |
1) make connections between innovative poetry practice and digital media
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<LossGlazier> |
2) catalog a number of digital projects/activities out there
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<Drone> |
sorry, i crashed -
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<LossGlazier> |
and 3) look at ways of conceiving the medium, the value of code, ways of reading, etc.
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<Drone> |
i'm claire
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<jley> |
hi claire :)
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<Drone> |
hi
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<jley> |
1 is really necessary ... I'm so glad you're addressing that
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<LossGlazier> |
it all fits together well i think
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<LossGlazier> |
we talked a lot about 1 before you got here
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<jley> |
:(
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<Drone> |
1?
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<LossGlazier> |
hopefully you can see the transcript!
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<jley> |
did you want to talk about the other two ??
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<jley> |
i know Jim will do the transcript ...looking forward to that
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<LossGlazier> |
yes
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<jley> |
claire : 1) make connections between innovative poetry practice and digital media
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<jley> |
and your own work?
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<Jim> |
What are you doing now in poetical work, Loss?
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<Drone> |
thanks
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<Jim> |
Though all this is poetical.
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<LossGlazier> |
That's a good question.
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<LossGlazier> |
I think I have always worked (a thunderstorm is coming ... the electricity might go here!)
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<LossGlazier> |
(Lights are flickering on and off ...)
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<jley> |
ick
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*jley is so excited to be able to talk poetry turkey in the flesh with Loss this week
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<Jim> |
Lightning above the Defib raft.
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<LossGlazier> |
Well it's a charged (hehe) emotional experience but not good for the computer to suddenly be whacked off.
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<LossGlazier> |
Yes, Jim, Jennifer will be in Buffalo next week!
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<Jim> |
Cool.
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*jley can make amends for being so late
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<Jim> |
I might get a trip to New York in the next few months, we'll see.
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<LossGlazier> |
Let me know if you do! It would be great if you could fit in a visit this way, too.
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<Jim> |
Would love to. Have a client in New York right now.
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<jley> |
so are you continuing to explore things along the lines of the presentation at DAC Loss?
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<Jim> |
Would be great, Jen, you could show me your town.
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<jley> |
indeedie
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<Jim> |
But back to your work, Loss, are you working on any poems right now?
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<LossGlazier> |
Yes
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<LossGlazier> |
I'd say I like to explore a certain potential in the work.
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<jley> |
potential for?
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<LossGlazier> |
Jim, yes. I have a new piece in the latest Deluxe Rubber Chicken.
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<LossGlazier> |
(See the EPC featured resource.)
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<Jim> |
OK, will do.
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<LossGlazier> |
It's something I like, similar to my work called "Bouge", where
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<LossGlazier> |
there's a kind of lightness I like
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<LossGlazier> |
like pattern curtains blowing in the breeze
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<jley> |
sounds really interesting :)
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<LossGlazier> |
and you quietly watch the flickering patterns on the wall
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<Jim> |
curtains between what and what?
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<LossGlazier> |
i think there's always a curtain between what we attempt to make
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<LossGlazier> |
and what the medium allows.
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